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This must change

  • By: Qwaider

  • On:Wednesday, May 09, 2007 10:22:35 PM
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    Islamic Shariah, or the religious law that is driven from the Quran, Sunna and other Islamic sources. Currently this is in it's worst position in the history of Islam. The reason I bring up this subject is very important. I don't feel safe nor confident in almost any of the Fatwas (Islamic rules that are deduced from the religious sources and are in accordance with the Islamic religion).

    Lets just look at the situation today.
    Universities admit the lowest achievers in high-school to study Shariah. The top spots are reserved for Medicine, engineering, sciences, business, law, Arts, Literature even physical education, and library systems come ahead of Shariah. The situation is grave

    I don't want to generalize here and say that the ALL the lowest achievers are incapable of bettering themselves and becoming more educated with time. And possibly topping those of higher grades, but since we agreed on the grading system as a mechanism to gauge not only student's intelligence, but their hard work as well.

    It's inevitable that people with the lowest IQ's and most lazy will end up in that bucket. Again not all are like that, but the majority will fall under this criteria.

    Historically...
    All the great Imams of Islam, like Shafiei, Malek, Ibin Hanbal, Abu Hanifa, Ibin Taymyeh, ...etc just to name a few were ALL scientists. They ALL had other published work, or were known for their proficiency in more than one aspect of knowledge. NOT JUST religion. Some were versed in Greek philosophy, medicine, music, herbal pharmacology, astronomy and just about every discipline of science they had access to. The result... Amazing insight into the rules and fatwas they are coming up with.

    I reflect on the situation today...
    I can't help but feel upset. Even the super achievers rarely read, barely have interests outside of their immediate area of expertise. Most don't even bother with hobbies or social activities. When one of them decides they want to get specialized, they choose to get so deep and specialized to the point that they don't even know anything about related matter. Similar to the situation of a horse with blindfolds. Which sees only in front of it, and nothing to the sides.

    My view...
    People choosing to study Shariah should have the depth in at least one subject matter and the breadth in a number of subjects to be able to come up with rules and Fatwas to better people's lives and make it easier. To make these Rules and Fatwas based on Logic, knowledge and understanding of the subject matter. In addition to knowing about the Quran, Sunna and other Islamic source. This would definitely help them get to the fatwa that is more suitable, and far from prejudice and dogmatic narrow view of fanatics, purists and medieval minds. This fatwa would be based more on knowledge instead of speculation, facts instead of fiction, logic instead of hope, and evidence instead of perception. But most importantly, it would be able to coexist and integrate with the modern societies, changing times and technological advances

    I completely believe that Islam is suitable for every place and time. The onus is on us to make sure that is the case.

    That's why I think Shaiah(dom) should be a status reserved as a Post doctoral field. Only people graduating their PhD's with honors should apply. Our best and brightest should be the ones at the helm guiding us. Not the ones who almost failed high-school

    Warning...
    If we cross what we have today of scholars gone berserk with Islamic zealots.. we get a very volatile mix that under the right conditions spell out disaster. It will no doubt have grave repercussions. It might even cast doubt on the future survival of the whole nation. Just look at the rise of religious induced terrorism and brainwashing of the weak of minds to do their dirty work

    I think the world will have no mercy on a nation that have submitted it's will and future to morons and religious zealots. History has never been forgiving. Whenever any nation lagged behind, other nations were quick to seize that opportunity. It's our duty that we shouldn't allow this to happen

    What we must do
    Our amazing scholars, and great scientists need to feel appreciated and welcome. We need to attract them back from the west. We need to spend our billions developing them, and nurturing the second line. Instead of wasting the wealth of the nation on Camel races and building skyscrapers and casinos.

    Lets find these amazing scientists, and provide everything for them to grow and achieve. Let our next goal to be the best in science. We certainly don't lack the talent and intelligence, but we lack the support, appreciation and countries that facilitates and encourages excellence. Without feeling threatened

    As the late King Hussein said, and these words will hold true throughout history. "People are our most valuable asset"

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    Qwaider,
    I can't say but : I LOVE YOU, in a brotherly way of course:)
    You are absolutly right, the best example would be the islamin era in spain..
    Relegion should be hand in hand with logic and time, I don't need a sheikh who don't know what internet is to issue a fatwa about chat rooms! We will never get back to our glory unless we educate..
    one of your greatest posts!!
    I linked to this article for a different purpose than the one that triggered you to write this, But it all goes back to the same root..
    Q- you are right to some extent, but the fact that some fatwa will not be easy to carry on does not mean it is not correct, that being said some people who give fatwa don't tell you why, or on what did they depend, they use the concept that 3awam ( which is not an insult)  don't have to be told that there are probably five different opinions in the matter by the great scholars you have named. so he gives the one he Feels is the right one.

    Only recently did my friend who is a PhD student of sharia that there is what is called " 3ilet el7okom" which means the reason why a particular thing is not allowed. again some things may sound rigid or backward and wrong to us, but when you read about the subject you will find it agreed upon.
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    • Isam
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    • On: 5/10/2007 12:05:00 PM
    Q be introduced to Jamal El Banna ... he's an egyptian islamic thinker who you agree with ... look for his works and reaed them if u like ...
    Brilliant post Qwaider! ... I never really thought about it this way ... Fatwas, not all of them though, are being issued by people with the lowest IQs!
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    • Lemaza
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    • On: 5/10/2007 6:19:02 PM
    took the words right out of my mouth. goes to show there is a growing movement of discontent. in Shia islam, those inducted into the Hawza are the best and the brightest. hence the likes of Khatimi and Nasrallah, and they are funded mostly by private sector and not the government, guaranteeing them greater independence of thought. Also, in Shiism, the hierarchy permits the rapid rise of young blood, but in Sunni hierarchy, you either buy your way to prominence with a TV show (Amr Khaled) or with tainted official support (Al-Azhar and Saudi sunni establishment) or with brute force like Al-Qaeada, leaving the most talented to wait until one of the old farts keels over.

    We have a structural failure in the official Sunni establishment.
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    • Bilali
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    • On: 5/11/2007 11:11:25 AM
    This is the dilemma of the educated sunni arab. I for one harbour feelings of utter revulsion at the horrifically backward Sunni religious institutions. But when I look at the alternatives, the rotten traitorous nationalist and leftists Arab intelligentsias and all their prostitution to the US and Israel, in return for keeping their power and money, I and many others are left with no option but to remain neutral to the fundamentalist arab sunni establishment for they are the only ones who seem to be willing to make great sacrifices for Arab independence in Iraq and Palestine and Somal. And they are the ones who seem less prone to corruption and more predisposed to grand acts of charity. the arab left and nationalists have today volunteered to work as petty soldiers in the neo-conservative machine and have been willingly absorbed into the repressive regime institutions producing more horrific corruption and repression in the name of protecting stability and modernity (read: neo-liberalism).
    Q,
    The latest fatwa came, and it says that if a woman wants to be in a "kholwa" with a man she can breast feed him 5 times, and everything would be cool, check this out http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2007/05/16/34518.html
    This is just religious hallucinations. This same story was talked about in Hala-Show (Halah Sarhan) over a year ago.

    I think the prophet was kidding when he said that! Or it was a particular case..

    Either way, I prefer kholwa (and presume they're virtue) than have a women nurse a man and make it clear they're not. This lunatic is also asking for Witnesses. LOL!
    Imagine this:
    -What do you do?
    :Wallah I work as a witness
    -A witness of what
    :Of women nursing men!

    (secretly envying the man)
    WTF!....shu had...this fatwa is not a joke?
    waaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaa, faga3tooni men el do7ok, i think this proves what has been talked about for a while, al Arabia is NOT a source to be trusted, they made a fool of themselves before, but this TOPS it!
    we can blog the hell out of this one to bury them on google, or we can ignore (man khatabahom al jahiloona kaloo salama)
    I seriously think the Prophet (PBUH) was joking about this matter. (like; two people came to his counsel and a man is concerned about the MAN he adopted ever since he was a little child, and since the child grew up thinking the woman is his mother. I think the prophet jokingly said nurse him. He didn't want this to be taken as a rule)

    So technically the Hadith is Sa7i7. But should it be taken literally? I don't think so
    Maraim, The issue is not alarabiya, the report looks to be true so I will take it from them this time, and regarding the issue of all arab media we can all agree that they are all tools, just like every other place in the world, recently aljazeera has been "restructured", the change is a predecessor for a change in qatar policies, Waddah khanfar is a muslim brotherhood member, he served his agenda for sometime and qatar was happy about it, but now it seems they weighed the gained benifits aginst what they lost and decided to change, eventhoug I find it wierd that this happened exaclty after Iran attacked the Channel!
    I know I deviated but what can I do:)
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