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Virtue by chance, not choice

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  • On:Thursday, April 26, 2007 7:10:34 PM
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    Sometimes the difference between doing the right thing and the worst mistake in your life might be chance. Sometimes it's choice. But isn't choice dependent on chance? Wouldn't eliminating chance eliminate the possibility of committing that dreadful mistake that you might regret for years?

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    Many parents don't allow their children outside of the house after dark, especially in places like Jordan. Because chances are, the possibility of something going wrong multiplies later at night. What they try to do is eliminate the chance of something going wrong. Removing one of the pillars of sin/err/mistake

    Most of the crimes are committed when the circumstances are plausible, and supportive of it happening. In addition to having the motive (a synonym of choice)

    To further explain by abstraction, consider these broad definitions:

    • Choice is usually the verb/action in the issue
      Steal, Cheat, murder, assassinate, lie ..etc
    • Chance is the situation (time/space/conditions ..etc)
      Husband is away, Money untraceable, leaving the country, or the most famous one "no one is watching"...
    • Motive is always some materialistic pleasure or forbidden relief
      Money, Power, Lust, Jealousy, rivalry ...etc

    And now to explain by example. Lets say someone sees a lot of money in a safe, and very weak security and the ability to get away with his crime. Some will hesitate (trying to make a choice), some will think "NO WAY" (made a positive choice) while others will find this encouraging to go ahead and possibly steal that money (made negative choice). In all cases, if the money wasn't there, it would be enough deterrent for most not to attempt to steal it.

    We have a saying in Arabic (Loose money, teach thievery or المال السايب يعلّم السرقة) If we look at this saying we will discover that people figured out long ago that removing the Chance from the equation, makes the rest all fall in line.

    How is this related to virtue, you might ask...

    Many people would claim to be virtuous, righteous and extremely loyal. Upon closer examination we discover that such people had never had the temptation or chance to stray. Which makes you wonder, if that was the case, how do you guarantee that when the time comes and the temptation AND chance are both there, what would their choice be?

    The issue of Choice and Chance is really deeper than we think. In Islam for example, everything is counted based on the intention, not the action or the result although those are taken into consideration. But the thing that matters the most is intention. Which is another form of premeditated choice. Islam goes one step further when it considers the choice (even if it's not obvious) and the reason as well. If it was for the sake of god, then that's the purist of intentions.

    How many people we trust so blindly to the point that we know for sure that given the chance, they will make the choice that would please us? Would they do that all the time? These two questions would simply cast their shadows over any trust-based-relationship. Which leads to the next realization, trust is just like security, an illusion.

    The issue is not IF people will betray your trust. It's more like When. That's why, no one should ever be over trusting, and question anything, that doesn't add up or make sense! The difference for a good or a bad spouse/lover/friend/significant-other might only be chance!

    Here's a clarifying update, since some people thought that I am expecting everyone in the world to be bad..

    If you look deeper than the words above you will discover 6 types of people

    1. Good by determination(even when presented with bad choice, AND a chance to do it, opt to do the right thing)
    2. Good by nature (choice at a subliminal level)
    3. Good by Chance (never had a chance to do bad)
    4. Bad by Chance (impulsive case of bad choice)
    5. Bad by nature (When presented with a choice, they choose bad)
    6. Bad by premeditation (Make the choice to defy chance)

    Only in the cases 5+ you are presented with criminal mind. For others, they're usually good people

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    I have to disagree with you on this one Q, its true that some people never were in a situation that put them in a place to make a moral choice. but their beliefs and morals define or at least effect the way they behave in a particular situation, this is what you base your trust on, the character and morals of the person you are dealing with.

    Now this does not mean to blindly trust a person, you rather have to know them well, and then make the "choice " to trust them. the fact that many people never look deep enough when evaluating others does not mean the signs were always there, and the personas morals were shaky to start with.

    It will be a very sad and stressful life if you did not have at least one person that you trust completly.
    Actually, allow me to slightly correct your sentence there...
    "their beliefs and morals define or at least affect the way they SHOULD behave in a particular situation"
    There's a big difference between knowing what's right, and DOING what's right.

    And most people actually have two people they can completely trust (mostly) Their Mother and Father

    Why mother and father ? if you believe in what you say you should not trust any one, nor should any one trust you ! its very difficult not to know for sure that the people you have in your life will ACT according to what they BELIEVE.

    Trust, by it's very definition is something that is supposed to be earned. It takes time and dedication. And guess what, all of that could be lost in a blink of an eye.

    People do make mistakes and when you least expect it and most will betray your trust. Very few won't.
    Statistically speaking, parents are the people you can trust more than anyone else. But, that's not a rule. Therefore, it doesn't mean that ALL parents are to be trusted, nor does it mean that there is no one in the world that you can trust.

    The problem is that we say that we "trust" but we really never put that to the test. And from what I see, whenever there is temptation and chance ... Choice just simply follows
    There is a saying that says you will never know someone unless you travel with him/her, live with him/her and  I forgot the third one..And I found this saying to be the most credible one I have ever seen, For example I had "best" freinds, but when we traveled or even went on short trips I see a whole differen angle of them and It never was the same after that..For you to know someone from the inside you need to observe their reactions to different situations...The credit score system is an example of the trust factor, you measure the trust of people and give them points based on their financial commitment, but yet you see some people special arabs who used to wait until the last minute before they leave this ountry for good and boom steal all that trust and run away!!I went way off subject, but it is really hard to measure intentions..
    Actually, that example is the CORE of this subject!
    See, people were nice and trustworthy as long as there was a deterrent (No chance to get away with it) then, when that deterrent was gone (leaving for good, in other words.. chance) BOOM! Everything about morality, and 7alal and Haram dissolved and what was left is a crime. Motive (money), Chance (leaving country) and finally Choice (to steal)

    Choice is usually the verb in the issue, while chance is the situation (time/space/conditions ..etc) and Motive is always some materialistic pleasure!
    Oh my god!
    I was just thinking about this the other day. I was just considering how things would be if people had the chance to do something. Would they? or wouldn't they ...
    Very inspiring Qwaider ... very inspiring. You got me thinking!
    I really like this article, there is so much going on inside it. I read it 4 times already.
    you know how insane the idea that humans are innately morally corrupt!
    like you suggest here, that for example with out religion society will dissolve into chaos.

    if you think so then tell me one thing ... how come in small villages no one closes their doors, and their homes at all and crime is still non existant
    based on your flawed (although deviously worded) logic people will clean house in a few days ....

    Although I completely detest my Machiavellian ideas above. I can give you a simple reason for this.
    In smaller villages, people are either very religious or hold  strong moral values. Both act as a deterrent to further enhance choice

    Let me say this one more time, it's called CHOICE for a reason. People decide to do good or bad. Some (many actually) will opt to do the right thing.

    If you look deeper than the words you will discover 6 types of people

    1. Good by determination(even when presented with bad choice, AND a chance to do it, opt to do the right thing)
    2. Good by nature (choice at a subliminal level)
    3. Good by Chance (never had a chance to do bad)
    4. Bad by Chance (impulsive case of bad choice)
    5. Bad by nature (When presented with a choice, they choose bad)
    6. Bad by premeditation (Make the choice to defy chance)

    Only in the cases 5+ you are presented with criminal mind. For others, they're usually good people

    I hope this makes it a little clearer

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