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Feminists, self hating Muslims, and neo-atheists

  • By: Qwaider

  • On:Wednesday, February 28, 2007 5:40:01 PM
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    Over the past few years, as I followed on a number of issues, these things kept popping up over and over. I'm not condemning anyone here, I'm just trying to rationalize such phenomena, because frankly, I just don't think it's natural.

    I know MANY people will be enraged by this article, but I will go ahead an post it anyway, I believe we really need to rationally, logically, and scientifically analyze some of these phenomena

    Revised

    Why do I think it's unnatural?
    Because the majority, of the masses don't really suffer from most of what many pitch as the issues of the Muslim society. In fact, it is to the contrary. Many, many embrace the Arab, Muslim culture with all its sides, Women equality or inequality included. 

    I'm seeing a trend here, and I will try to create a profile around such personalities:

    The profile:
    A woman (or a man) often abused by their deeply (but foolishly) religious parents. Sometimes this lady has been circumcised or treated unequally compared to her siblings. She might have also lost chances due to some female hating individual. There's also the possibility of trauma due to a lost relationship where she rationalised the consequences as stemming from her weakness as a female in comparison to the Male's physical superiority, or social bias

    She would often have better qualifications than her "luckier" male counterparts, would also be of average or below average beauty, because pretty women never feel inequality, in fact, they get treated even better than men!

    The resultant personality
    This persona might end up with so much anger, and feelings of inequality compared to her male siblings even though she [thinks] she has better qualifications than they do. Therefore she decides to rebel, and directs all her frustrations and anger towards Arab or Muslim men and culture in general.

    That's not all, this rebellion might be so extreme that they thrust themselves in a confrontational position with the religion and society. In effect causing them to be categorized as enemies of Islam and the Arab culture. This ignites a cycle of violence which escalates and instead of their confronting their issues with the foolishly religious father, they end up condemning and confronting the whole religion and society.

    They immediately proceed to find cavities that appeal to the western modern and liberal ideology regarding certain aspects of the religion that might be considered (if taken out of context) as if it contains contempt to Women or promotion of hate, terrorism and violence towards others. Not because they believe in them, but due to the fact that these issues appeal to the progressive, liberal west, which has long fought these issues in the past. But has also matured out of them, making any mentioning of them a matter of pure fascination of how medieval barbarism is somehow still being practiced in the world today.

    What does all this mean?
    The real issue is with the skewed paternal image. Certain individuals who are rebelling against their father figure. however, instead of directing this towards their real cause of this distortion as in the actual father, they "pardon" their biological connection and resent the whole society instead (they hold everyone to blame for their father's mistakes). But also because there is comfort in attacking faceless figures. Like the society, religion or even god, and not someone closer to their heart like a father (taking the word father loosely here, it can be any male domination, even if it came from a female, society or culture).

    They would often refuse to comprehend other people's ideas regarding these matters especially when someone tries to prove to them that it's usually not the case with other people, and that experiences do vary a great deal

    At the end this leads to positions where the ego will just overcome everything and the whole matter becomes proving how valuable they are to this world. Or how much enlightened they became, compared to the masses of ignorant people. (Qwaider: 4/20/2010 note "I just can't read this last sentence without thinking of Nietzsche for some reason.")

    On the flip-side
    People raised by more moderate parents end up happier, oblivious to all these issues and live a much happier life regardless of their education level. They might sympathise with a number of issues but they don't feel that they've been dealt a bad hand, and don't have the tendency to just disrespect the society or it's beliefs in general.

    ...

    It's important that the parents make sure that their sons and daughters feel justice and equality at home, and make sure that gender related issues are dealt with in a very conscientious manner. They really don't want their children to grow up to be upset of everything in their life and blame it all not on the right culprit but on the whole society

    I might be way off, but I'm seeing this trend very often these days. To the point that it's almost crystal clear that the majority of these ladies(and gentlemen) have not had a healthy family life... And this is not an accusation or a condemnation in anyway.

    I guess we came a full circle, everything starts with the family ... and ends with the family ... What's a family without a woman?... Nothing! So everything starts with the woman, and ends with the woman! Even women oppression!

    I have committed a major sin in this article in the views of many, I have literally stereotyped a class of people ... I don't see anything wrong with that frankly, but many ... and I mean MANY ... do

    Now don't get me wrong, I'm not really against people who are working HARD to achieve social equality and justice, nor am I against people seeking to better themselves and conditions. What I'm trying to do is to dissect the reasons of what made certain people the way they are and how this is justified internally in their own minds

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    • Faten
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    • On: 2/28/2007 11:04:21 PM
    This is so deep. I had to read it couple of times, but I totally agree with you on the ideas presented!
    Wow! I am very impressed, you're way smarter than I thought you were
    • #2
    • laila
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    • On: 3/1/2007 3:49:02 AM
    Title alone is provocative,lumping feminists in with self hating muslims :D since femism is about female empowerment and self worth, something which is part of Islam.

    Interesting veiwpoint though, you acknowledge at least the existence of inequality or injustice in society that women feel, and then excuse society for their actions. It is true many people fail to see the forest from the trees, but that is it, it takes specialness and at least some reprieve in life to enable a person to see past whatever ills has befallen them, especially when these ills are major.

    When people hold a society accountable for what happened to them, can we really disagree or be indignant? how many of us are guilty of perpetrating a mentality condusive to such actions? If we are exposed to a certain mentality or ideas we will be affected, because fighting such mentality takes alot of energy, and sometimes you just want to sleep.

    Sometimes people keep their disagreement to themselved... a man keeps his daughter on a tight leash and questions her endlessly should a man look in her direction, while his sons prance about smoking and breaking girls hearts. How many people point out to him his double standards? how many will actively sympathise with the daughter and not tell her to bear it?

    I dont disagree with you per se, but cannot help but understand where people are coming from when they hold society accountable for what their father or ex did to them.

    As for pretty girls not suffering because they get good treatment, thankfully I do not fall into pretty girl category, and I say this because the pretty girls I know tended to get harassed in the streets. I also disagree that pretty girls get special treatment, I have often seen whom I consider pretty passed over for special treatment for the flirty girl who will inflate the dude's ego :d Am I right?
    I like this article and agree that everything starts and ends with a woman, though that is not the main point you are making, but, for me, it is the best part. Thanks Mr. Q for acknowledging that even though many Arab Muslim men will not :D.
    Regarding feminist activism, what I understand is that the society lacks somehow social justice, and that is why there are women out there who are trying to achieve that. Some feminists are moderate, while others are radical and take extremes that just blind them. I agree with you in that those radical feminists are not only observers of the injustice in society towards women, rather they have been exposed to it on personal level. And therefore, it is natural to sharply oppose this unfairness and discrimination by fighting it back. But they don’t know how and who to fight. For example, Ayaan Hirsi Ali and others like her direct their energy towards society and religion, and do miss the most important point, which is fight your oppressor first! If each woman fights directly who oppresses her, they will all together achieve justice on a collective level, which will eventually end in cleaning up the society from those who basically use religion as a tool to oppress women.
    WOW... that's such a huge comment! :)I don't know where to start.

    I'm glad you replied, it's an honor to hear the thoughts of someone of your caliber. I know some of the ideas might be provocative. But this category of people is not really that large. In fact, you don't fall into it
    I should have clarified that these are people who tend to really lose the big picture. Women education, empowerment, encouragement, equality, justice ...etc ...etc .. Not just blindly and consistently blame the society.
    It's exactly the difference between people who are trying to change, and people who are cursing the current situation. Both don't appreciate it, but they're reacting in two different ways.

    Anyway, I know many people who don't feel this injustice or inequality. Maybe they're fortunate, maybe they are the majority ... who knows.

    And trust me, pretty gets what she wants, flirty, gets what she wants too, but pretty doesn't have to put much effort into it.

    Then there is the category that I adore, SMART! Superficial beauty means NOTHING, but intelligence makes ALL the difference. A smart woman can improvise, learn fast, take shortcuts and do in days what would take others months even years... They have the ever lasting beauty. Not the boring skin deep beauty that equals absolutely nothing at the end of the day
    • #5
    • Faten
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 3/1/2007 4:02:45 AM
    And I'm chopped liver? You don't even answer me?
    Secratea, that was beautifully well said! And I totally agree with you. I think I didn't make the distinction between radical activists and more constructive ones clear.

    All it takes to establish the basis of social justice is for the oppressed women to really challenge their oppressors as you have said. And once that is done, the society collectively will achieve the justice they're seeking
    Fatina sorry I didn't see your comment. My bad.
    Thanks for giving it much thought
    Qwaider,

    wow, you really don't get it! I can't tell you how disappointed I am by this. So I won't. Better get back to smoking. You sounded better then.

    Amal A, a self-identified feminist and lots of other things...
    I was hoping to hear from you Amal....
    Maybe [you] don't really get it, there might be to the story more than your understanding and I'm really hoping you would take a moment and objectively look at what I said. I would highly appreciate it. Especially from you
    • #10
    • lena
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    • Said
    • On: 3/5/2007 3:31:48 AM
    As an atheist that fights the racism against arabs and muslim in my school, work, and on the street I resent and reject your generalizations.
    You didn't get the point. It's not about ANY atheist, or a person who deeply believes or disbelieves. It's "neo-atheists" or the nice little people who want to play activist, atheist and seriously self hate
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