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Voting Petra out!

  • By: Qwaider

  • On:Tuesday, January 23, 2007 5:49:32 PM
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    Yes, yes, I know how people are taking this but guess what. I have a bad feeling about this. I fear that Petra is going to suffer dearly from this new world wonder stupidity. And we the Jordanians are happily doing it. Even worse, we're casting the first stone

    nop

    Let me give you a little lesson in statistics...

    Jordan's population, including the expats, and people in their immediate influence circle etc is about 5 million (Man, woman and child) plus influence, 2million. Lets say 10 million

    That's 10 million votes. Now compare it to:

    China 1 Billion, India 1Billion, US 300million, Russia300 million. South Asia and co, at least 200 million. UK 60mil, Italy 60mil, Egypt 70million, Turkey 70 million. Japan 127 million

    What do these countries have in common other than surpassing the population of Jordan by multiples? Yes, you guessed it right, they're other contenders in the this competition. This is Diana Karazon vs Kelly Clarkson.

    In other words, we have embraced a competition with Petra's odds of winning are really slim and what's cool is that we're going to "democratically" vote it out!

    I hate to be the one sounding the alarm here, but seriously. It's pretty hopeless. Petra will once again be a second class wonder. (yeah, sounding the alarm is actually a patriotic duty for those who insist)

    But it doesn't take a vote to decide what a wonder is! It doesn't take a stupid competition to see that WE don't need someone to tell us that we have a world wonder. We have it. We do. We always did.

    Petra is already a world wonder,
    AND NO ONE IS GOING TO TAKE THAT AWAY!

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    • #2
    • funny
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 1/23/2007 6:44:24 PM
    Sounds like a pretty monument.
    But I would vote for effeil tower or something like that
    Or maybe dubai palms...
    • #3
    • Ola
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 1/23/2007 8:17:43 PM
    china one billion and half but I do seriously doubt that they heard of what's goign on, that country is too freakin' big for news to circulate. I guess the contest will be over and the 7 monuments will be rzed to the ground by the time they hear about it...

    Anyway, have you seen a country with a population less than 6 millions and 4 cell phone companies? Yes! Jordan... Besides, those billions you enumerated are people who have real jobs, voting is not really their cup of tea. In other words, lo3betna hay... you tell me how we beat Egypt in Superstar...

    Go vote, just for the heck of it...
    Ola, it only worked once... only once ... and I doubt it will happen again.
    All it takes a dictatorship totalitarian regime like china is to declare it a "patriotic" duty... and You'll get those 1billion and more!
    And it was Syria vs Jordan..

    PS, I voted
    Well, I think you have too little faith in the Americans who have been to Petra.  Oh, and the ones who will remember it from Indiana Jones fame...  So, in the spirit of American grass roots movements, every vote counts!  Rock the Vote, man, rock the vote!
    What about the Americans who wake up every morning to see the statue of liberty? And the ones who have been to Taj Mahal, The great wall of china, the pyramids... etc... etc... etc?
    Yeah, I know Petra from Indiana Johns, Bon Jovi video clips, Mortal Kombat (with a K) but what have we done lately?
    Hello, my name is Lydia Sizer and I am working on a thesis through Brown University in the United States looking at blogs. I am looking at how blogs affect mutual understanding among people of different ethnic backgrounds and I was wondering if you would be willing to take a survey I have prepared for my research. This research would give you a voice in determining whether blogs would be useful in aiding global security and counteracting racism. If you are interested, don't hesitate to email me at Lydia_Sizer@brown.edu. Thank you so much for your time. For convenience, please enter "thesis survey" as the subject of your email as I will not know who is writing to me. Thanks again! In addition, you will receive an email later from lscello@aol.com. This is because my school email is routed through my home email. Thanks!

    --Lydia Sizer
    • #8
    • Luai
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 1/24/2007 12:22:38 AM
    oh no, not this $#!T again.  
    • #9
    • Batir
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 1/24/2007 12:26:49 AM
    I am afraid you are mistaken Qwaider. The new 7 wonders competition publishes in the first week of each month a listing of the 21 places as they are categorised in the top, middle and bottom ranks. In Janyuary 2007 ranking Petra was in the top 7 category moving from December ranking of middle category. It is not an issue of population qwaider but the ability to generate support. I am not a person who is easily affected by such carnavals but I am very hopeful that petra can make it. I think we should all give it a try. You of course have all the right to vote it out but I will not respond to your call.
    I think you have it right. But the last I saw on tv that commissioner or what ever his position is, said that it was in the lower ranking of the 21. I might be mistaken
    But One thing I am not mistaking of. Petra is a World wonder regardless of the result of the votes

    And this time Batir, my good friend, I think you followed the carnival :)
    Qwaider, again you're wrong about this, and let me explain to you why. Now each voter world wide gets to vote for 7 wonders, so the voters in China will be voting for 6 other wonders other than their wonder in China, and etc... The competetion is smarter than what you've said in your obviously unresearched post again AGAINST voting for petra, which is starting to look weird and misleading from your side.
    Yes this competition is so smart ... it's smarter than deal-or-no-deal

    Come on!
    For those who might be discouraged to vote based on Qweider's words. Please read:

    First, lets clarify something that I've seen many people be unaware of. You don't only vote for one place; you vote for 7. So if there are places that you think are better than Petra, you still get to vote for up to six of them.

    Now that we've gotten that out of the way, lets talk about Qweider's argument, which can be summarized here:

    "In other words, we have embraced a competition with Petra's odds of winning are really slim and what's cool is that we're going to "democratically" vote it out!"

    So, Qweider is arguing that Petra's chances of securing a top 7 position are slim (to none) in this poll. So lets proceed with his argument based on the assumption that Petra is indeed not going to make a top 7 spot.

    Qweider then says that therefore, by participating in this competition, "we as Jordanians are voting Petra out". Obviously, in his thinking, Jordanians will not be "voting Petra out" by casting votes against it, so what exactly is Qweider thinking about?

    The only possible answer has to be participation. Through their participation, Qweider implies, Jordanians will be acknowledging the competition and its results. So if Petra ends up not winning, which Qweider foresees as being almost certain, then they will be forced to accept that Petra is not a world wonder.

    Yet the way Qweider puts it in words goes beyond making Jordanians accept the voice of the global majority as truth, which is not necessarily what participating in this competition really means; his wording, "Jordanians are voting Petra out", actually puts part of the blame on those who will participate even if they explicitly cast votes for Petra, not against it. Indeed, these people are blamed, in Qweider's mind, even if they actually worked on increasing Petra's chances of winning.

    The following is only for those who still fail to see the flaws in that logic:

    First, it fails to acknowledge one important fact: Jordanians will not be the only ones voting for Petra, and that everyone in the world will have the chance to vote for Petra in addition to up to six other sites that they favor more.

    Second, Qweider's argument is based on his belief that Petra is guaranteed to lose, which is based on the assumption that the level of participation from the entire world will be so massive, that even if double the population of Jordan voted for Petra, its chances of making it to the top 7 spots would still be none. The important thing to note here is this: if the participation is going to be so massive, which indeed it is, then will lack of participation from those who like Petra change anything? In particular, will it change the fact that by the end of this poll, the world will still acknowledge the results? The answer can only be resounding in the negative. Which leads to the main counter argument:

    Don't think for a second that by not voting you are somehow protecting Petra from being "voted out". Don't think that if 10 million people like you who want to vote for Petra now, decided not to, that the results of the poll will be undermined; they won't. Also and most importantly, don't let others tell you that if Petra doesn't make it to the top 7, that you will share part of the blame even if you believed it deserved to and even if you actually casted a vote to achieve it. If you vote for Petra, know that at least you casted a vote that was equal to any other person's vote, and that your vote is the witness that you are in full support of Petra, and that you were one of the reasons Petra had a chance to win, and that in reality, those who refused to vote were ones who damaged its chances and that if there is someone to blame, it can only be them.

    There is absolutely no reason to not vote. Voting doesn't mean giving up your opinion or your beliefs about Petra as a world wonder. On the contrary, voting means recording what you believe in and putting it out there to the entire world, even if there weren't enough people who shared it with you. The important thing is that you are given the chance to speak your opinion that you're so proud of, so speak it and vote. Whether there are enough people who agree with you or not is not something that refusing to vote will change, but it is something that voting might actually change in the end. At least with the latter, you have a chance.

    Remember, voting is free, and you can vote for six places other than Petra, and it will only take 5 minutes. Go do it: LINK
    • #14
    • moi
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 1/24/2007 3:52:13 AM
    This issue seems to be generating lots of posts, but unfortunately it seems like we're beating a dead horse. Is it really that big of a deal to vote or not to vote? To guess if Petra wins or doesn't? Surely there are more things we can do to promote Petra as a world wonder, and I totally agree with Lina's post about getting Jordanians to visit the place before we ask the rest of the world to do that. Vote if you want to, don't vote if you don't want to, then wait to see who wins...is that so hard?  
    For those who might be discouraged to vote based on Qweider's words. Please read:

    First, lets clarify something that I've seen many people be unaware of. You don't only vote for one place; you vote for 7. So if there are places that you think are better than Petra, you still get to vote for up to six of them.

    Now that we've gotten that out of the way, lets talk about Qweider's argument, which can be summarized here:

    "In other words, we have embraced a competition with Petra's odds of winning are really slim and what's cool is that we're going to "democratically" vote it out!"

    So, Qweider is arguing that Petra's chances of securing a top 7 position are slim (to none) in this poll. So lets proceed with his argument based on the assumption that Petra is indeed not going to make a top 7 spot.

    Qweider then says that therefore, by participating in this competition, "we as Jordanians are voting Petra out". Obviously, in his thinking, Jordanians will not be "voting Petra out" by casting votes against it, so what exactly is Qweider thinking about?

    The only possible answer has to be participation. Through their participation, Qweider implies, Jordanians will be acknowledging the competition and its results. So if Petra ends up not winning, which Qweider foresees as being almost certain, then they will be forced to accept that Petra is not a world wonder.

    Yet the way Qweider puts it in words goes beyond making Jordanians accept the voice of the global majority as truth, which is not necessarily what participating in this competition really means; his wording, "Jordanians are voting Petra out", actually puts part of the blame on those who will participate even if they explicitly cast votes for Petra, not against it. Indeed, these people are blamed, in Qweider's mind, even if they actually worked on increasing Petra's chances of winning.

    The following is only for those who still fail to see the flaws in that logic:

    First, it fails to acknowledge one important fact: Jordanians will not be the only ones voting for Petra, and that everyone in the world will have the chance to vote for Petra in addition to the other sites they might vote for.

    Second, Qweider's argument is based on his belief that Petra is guaranteed to lose, which is based on the assumption that the level of participation from the entire world will be so massive, that even if double the population of Jordan voted for Petra, its chances of making it to the top 7 spots would still be none. The important thing to note here is this: if the participation is going to be so massive, which indeed it is, then will lack of participation from those who like Petra change anything? In particular, will it change the fact that by the end of this poll, the world will still acknowledge the results? The answer can only be resounding in the negative. Which leads to the main counter argument:

    Don't think for a second that by not voting you are somehow protecting Petra from being "voted out". Don't think that if 10 million people like you who want to vote for Petra now, decided not to, that the results of the poll will be undermined; they won't. Also and most importantly, don't let others tell you that if Petra doesn't make it to the top 7, that you will share part of the blame even if you believed it deserved to and even if you actually casted a vote to achieve it. If you vote for Petra, know that at least you casted a vote that was equal to any other person's vote, and that your vote is the witness that you are in full support of Petra, and that you were one of the reasons Petra had a chance to win, and that in reality, those who refused to vote were ones who damaged its chances and that if there is someone to blame, it can only be them.

    There is absolutely no reason to not vote. Voting doesn't mean giving up your opinion or your beliefs about Petra as a world wonder. On the contrary, voting means recording what you believe in and putting it out there to the entire world, even if there weren't enough people who shared it with you. The important thing is that you are given the chance to speak your opinion that you're so proud of, so speak it and vote. Whether there are enough people who agree with you or not is not something that refusing to vote will change, but it is something that voting might actually change in the end. At least with the latter, you have a chance.

    Remember, voting is free, and you can vote for six places other than Petra, and it will only take 5 minutes. Go do it: http://www.new7wonders.com/index.php?id=409
    Hamzeh .. ya fadi oo raye2 inta ...
    I already voted...
    Wallah ... if I didn't know better I would have thought you're a comment spammer
    Hamzeh ... my points are very clear. And what you're doing is nothing more than enraging the resentment emotions in everyone who reads them and happens to have a wonder which is ... umm ... 3 billion other people!

    Do you people even think before you come up with these things?! you honestly wasted all this time to convince ME to vote when I have done so already?
    Yeah, I voted, and I hope for the best ... but I'm totally expecting the worst! And mark my words ... We will be voted out ...

    I don't need any silly competition to realize that we have a world wonder ... we do ... because it's FANTASTIC .. not because it's a patriotic dutey!!

    And I'm 100% with Lina, before we ask people to vote ... lets see Jordanians get on the bus and go visit it ... I've only been there twice, and feel ashamed of my self for not going there more. But I will ... and I will continue to go there as often as I can

    It's not about winning the argument ... it's totally not about it!
    Second comment is only to correct the styling. You have a "preview" feature on the blog that only works with html tags. After writing my first comment with html tags I saw the result lacking any, so I had to post again with correct styling this time.

    By the way, the first sentence in my comment says who it was directed to, and it was clearly not you. So no, I didn't spend time writing it to convince you to vote because I know you already voted. I wrote it for those who might have not voted yet and who might have been discouraged by your argument, which I tried my best to point the serious flaws in.
    Your point is taken and you're absolutely welcome to write whatever you want... Ahla oo sahla feek anytime
    I know that this is your blog Qwaider, and you have every right to speak out your mind here, but what you are doing with this post is destructive. Why do you discourage people from voting??!! Yes Petra would be our wonder no matter what the results of this voting would be, but why don't we help make it win this contest? A contest that millions of people around the world are follow and looking for its results.

    Did you know that part of the moeny gathered from the voting would go to the successful monuments? That money generated would help in developing the scenes, protecting the monuments, and advertising the place.

    If Petra won, we will benefit greatly.

    Now as Ola said, we beat egypt and syria in the superstar contest. This can happen again, why not?

    You forget to mention that other countries around the world who don't have a wonder can vote to those who has. Know what I mean?

    Thanks Batir for the info about Petra being at number 7 now. I guess the government campaign last months was successful. Hope we maintain our position.

    I don't know if I have the right to ask you this, but can you delete this post of yours? Please...
    Would .. should ... could .. IF and that's a HUGE IF it won!

    I'm sorry, I can't delete this post, but I'm totally open to accommodate your opinions and the opinion of others
    I know, its sad really, and as you have pointed out, unless Petra gets some major votes from other countries, it sadly will not get into the top 7 :(
    • #25
    • Al_Raqqad
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 2/1/2007 8:10:39 PM
    أصوت للبتراء لتكون إحدى عجائب الدنيا السبع
    • #26
    • Al_Raqqad
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 2/1/2007 8:15:21 PM
    I vote for petra to be one of the miracles ...
    (((jordan first)))
    • #27
    • Al_Raqqad
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 2/1/2007 8:16:02 PM
    petra is the best
    • #28
    • Al_Raqqad
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 2/1/2007 8:16:35 PM
    petra
    petra
    petra
    • #29
    • Al_Raqqad
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 2/1/2007 8:18:19 PM
    arab first
    jordan first
    petra first
    • #30
    • Taqwa Al_Raqqad
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 2/1/2007 8:21:08 PM
    I vote for petra to be one of the new 7 wonders
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