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Bride's virginity!

  • By: Qwaider

  • On:Thursday, January 04, 2007 8:49:28 PM
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    A very intriguing article  by Iman titled simply "Unfaithful", where she displayed a picture of a lady during hymen reconstruction plastic surgery to hide or  mask her past in what appears to be a way to comply with strict social codes of some societies around the world. The article has stirred controversy over the delicate matter to some.

    Some people see it as absolutely unacceptable, while others view it as woman's right to do so. Similar to many things that people bullishly charge to defend mainly due to social epidemics that have been left unchecked for a very long time.

    Unfortunately, many fail to see that a bride having her hymen intact is absolutely no guarantee of her virtue in the world where other sexual practices are quite common place. Raising many doubts regarding this matter. What such surgeries provide is one more way to mask is a past that may or may not be as active as some might imagine.

    Hymen would generally break during sexual activities that require vaginal penetration, with so many different variations to the procedure, anyone above the age of 13 probably already know all about this.

    But what hymen doesn't prove is some one's virtue in the presence of other sexual practices that don't involve penetration. In addition, with reconstruction that advantage is totally lost. Having an intact hymen doesn't guarantee for a single moment that the lady is disease free or that a relationship would last, since that factor is seriously over exaggerated by many.

    Many prefer to have a meaningful relationship and learn to accept and move on from that point onward, mainly because the past should really be put to sleep and not even thought about. While others are adamant in requiring absolute purity.

    In a society like Jordan where honor killings are still practiced, many find that this "reconstruction" is the only option out for ladies, when in fact, it complicates the matter even more and puts the burden of living with it on the future husband instead of where it should really fall. The family of the girl, and their beliefs.

    Islamically speaking, the punishment for premarital sex is absolutely NOT death. And when a man discovers that his bride is not a virgin he has two simple choices. "امساك بمعروف او تسريح بإحسان" and that is basically, keep the marriage and be compassionate or, or let her go and also be good with her.

    Since the Islamic rule is very clear, there is no need for anyone to decide that the Islamic rule is too humane and decide to take matters in their own hands by simple murdering the girl. While usually the accomplice is still at large.

    Another Islamic piece of information about this is that Virginity, is really not a condition to marriage, therefore a husband discovering such matter can choose one of the two things mentioned above.

    Again, people seem to forget that having a hymen is just like many things, doesn't guarantee virtue after marriage, doesn't guarantee a good relationship or a meaningful existence.

    My personal view on this is that both parties need to be open and frank about their condition. For example, a future wife needs to be absolutely in the clear about her future husbands issues, like Sexually transmitted diseases or impotence or anything related to that. It's her absolute right to know. Similarly the husband has the right to know about hers. If they agree and decide to go on despite these matters and decide that the relationship is more important than that stupid membrane, then they have made a conscious decision to overlook the past and focus earnestly on the future.

    Some argue that sometimes, the woman doesn't know the suitor well enough to tell him, but I find that absurd, if you don't know someone well enough to tell them about your past, then how the hell are you going to share their bed!

    The issue is not about "اذا بليتم فاستتروا" as in if you had a problems hide them. But rather a matter of trust and honesty. If some one's previous mistake includes a sexually transmitted disease, the partner has every right to know. In fact, it's a law, such things Must be disclosed in advance. People just need to stop thinking of non-virgins as people who have committed "mistakes" and rather it's a condition. Maybe it wasn't a mistake, maybe she was absolutely convinced and enjoyed it! Who knows, branding it as a "mistake" is just another method of aliasing the condition.

    At the end of the day, what's a marriage without honesty? I fail to find an answer to that other than ... "Nothing!". Quite frankly, I would rather ending up with a non-virgin than someone who tried to fool me!

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    Personally, I am against Hymenoplastic surgery basically because I oppose to pre-marital sex to start with. My view about engaging in pre-marital sex is a 100% based on my practice of religion (not social codes) and what I believe is right or wrong. However, I wish that having pre-material sex would leave physical traces on both men and women because women, in this case, are not given fair trials, especially in a society like Jordan.
    The question we all need to ask ourselves is, would I leave the person that I want to spend the rest of my life with for this or not.
    I for one know that I WILL undoubtedly leave a person who tries to fool me, but not someone who's honest and at least gives me the chance to decide.
    since we are taking it to a personal level, yes,  I believe that in this case or in any other case, marriage has to start with honesty and I personally would not get engaged to a person who tries to hide such a thing because if it was not as serious, why should it be hidden first place?
    • #4
    • Rami
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    • On: 1/5/2007 2:48:15 AM
    Dear Qwaider,
    Try to look at this problem from a different angle...why do women do this procedure? It is because of the cultural pressure ...people believe that this is the difference between right and wrong ...clean and dirty....it is very sad in my mind that we think that intact hymen and honour have something to do with each other.
    I would like to classify girls who undergo this kind of surgery:

    1- the type that does it because they want to get married to this guy and that's it! ya3ni to cover up for the past, and fool the idiot who is getting married to her! In this case I would say allah la yrodo wala yrodha! seriously! If he is getting married to someone who can fool him around and who he doesnt know and can trust then he did a bad choice and probably married her because she looks good and that's it! If he can't tell if she was into her religion or not then allah la yrodo. If he cant tell if she atleast had some experience with other men then allh la yroddo! and one day he would eventually find out! A girl with no solid background of morals and religion has had sex before marriage and will do it with someone else other than the husband one day!!! She knew that pre-maritial sex was wrong but still went on with it and doctors have made the soltuion easy for her to get away with it.

    2- the other type which has just occured to me is when some girl has had pre-maritial sex with someone. w sar elli sar! She felt terrible about it and promised herself to never do that again. and this is exactly what she did! NEVER did it again, fearing God and knowing that it was WRONG! Let's say that she has gone through TOUBAH and maintained it for a long while. But when the 3arees came she REALISED OH my God what can I do! and does the surgery!! can we forgive this person?

    One more thing I would like to say is that " Al Tayeboon lel Tayebat" If a guy deserves to be fooled because he has done the worst in his life then God will give him what he deserves! It is a male's duty to keep himself out of non-maritial sex because only that way he will make sure that all the women around him ( mom, sister, wife) will be good people!
    woooooooooooooooooow that was long :) sorry Qwaider! :)
    • #7
    • kinzi
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    • On: 1/5/2007 2:31:10 PM
    Qwaider, I'm glad you posted about this as I was wondered what was disgusting you in Iman's thread. I believe it was some commenters saying the dishonesty of the surgery was ok.

    I wish more men were like you, valuing honesty above virginity. ALL aspects of virginity are extremely important...I even believe emotional virginity is important. You also have the integrity not to be the kind of guy who promises a naive girl the moon and marriage, then gets what he wants and moves on.  

    Like Nas said, it is all about intentions. Whether to deceive, or cover an area thoroughly repented of as Ramroom says in point 2.
    Kinzi and Ramroom I totally agree. But to add something to Ramroom's #2 girl, Imagine she had really repented, why does she need to cover up!? Why wouldn't she put all her faith and trust in the future husband and be upfront with him from the beginning and once he accepts her for what she really is, they can put the past behind them and move on with their wonderful life
    A good relationship, and an honest marriage is worth a million of these cover-ups

    As a male who's had many excellent relationships, not necessarily intimate, I can assure you a good person is worth overlooking their mishaps as for sins, it's for god to forgive not mortals
    • #9
    • Nas
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    • On: 1/5/2007 7:48:37 PM
    i don't know why you threw in the religious aspect and then cast it aside. if you're going to pick up the ball then perhaps you should run with it.

    first of all virginity is a precondition for marriage, it was meant to be that way. otherwise premarital sex would not be a sin, otherwise it wouldn't be called pre-marital. does that mean non-virgins cannot marry (in defining 'condition')? obviously not. but the religious way to do it is to avoid it all together. hence the point of making it a sin and issuing a punishment, which while is not death is still a very harsh punishment.

    second of all you seem to be advocating an open door policy of honesty between wife and husband, or potential wife and husband. but you cast religion aside here. a person and their sins are between them and God and in Islam it is even recommended that if you seek God's forgiveness then the best policy is to keep your sin hidden as people are less forgiving. the point is that there is no good to come of it. honesty is one of those ideas that sounds great theoretically and just plain fails in practice. a potential suitor is told by a potential wife that she has had premarital sex (in the name of honesty) and things fall apart. she is socially cast aside.

    which brings us to point three: a woman's best option, purely from a religious standpoint, is to seek forgiveness and then to keep it to herself in order to best protect herself and those around her.

    the virtue of a person is not dependent on who they were in the past but who they are in the present and who they aspire to be in the future. and certainly the virtue of a woman is not dependent on a hymen of all things.
    I totally agree with your last paragraph, although from a judicial system point of view you're at a disadvantage if you have committed anything in the past.

    Now, things may fall apart for someone who has done something, what that means is that the man has decided not to accept that specific lady and not to take it after being told the truth. He had the choice to do so, unlike the situation where he is fooled into it and has no choice what so ever.

    The next thing is about taking the religious aspect of the matter. This issue is not only religious, but has multiple dimensions. As you can see the article is long enough without getting into every single detail, when each needs a full study to probe everything about it. I opted to touch on things and keep going. Leaving the rest to the intelligence of the readers while not undermining it.

    Finally corrections,
    a) Virginity is not a precondition to marriage, since a condition/precondition requires to invalidate a contract and virginity doesn't invalidate it
    b) premarital sex is as much a sin as lying is a sin, one is punished by 100 flogs and the second by 80. It's not like adultery there's a huge difference, I'm sure you're already aware
    c) It's improper to describe something as "making it a sin" because of "x y z", simply because we are not at a position of God to decide why a specific thing was done in a specific manner. Maybe that is the point, maybe that's one of the points and maybe it's something else altogether.. Anyway, I got your point and agree with it
    Pre-marital sex is not like adultery?? did i get you wrong or is this what you are saying, because IT IS!
    • #12
    • Nas
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    • On: 1/5/2007 8:35:11 PM
    Q, there is no 'fooling'...not every woman who has had premarital sex is out to trap herself a man out of desperation. it is an event that took place in the past and that is something between her and God. whether it's keeping it to herself or having such a surgery, not every person who takes this route has sinister intentions.

    virginity does not invalidate of course...i'm talking about the religious commitment of marriage, between two people and God. remove the issue of premarital sex from islam and re-evaluate the equation and you'll see what i mean. and yes its not like adultery but one flog is not an easy punishment let alone 80 or 100, which is indicative of obvious and intentional harshness to sway a person from it in the first person. in other words harshness in punishment is not reserved to a death penalty alone.

    lastly, to reiterate the argument of honesty since you brought up the judicial system: most of these sins, especially this one, are dependent on confession. a person would not be punished if he or she didnt say anything. it is the revealing of it that turns up the heat under the still pot.
    Premarital sex and adultery are two different things although the words are the same in Arabic "Zina" but each is different and different in punishment.

    Nas, the fooling comes from someone trying to sell you a Corolla claiming it to be a Civic. Got what I mean, it's not the same thing. And while I personally think someone maintaining her virginity is good, ,I can't claim that she is better than someone who lost it.

    I brought up the judicial system just as an example of past actions, but you can use the credit system or anything else that takes history into consideration when deciding on the future.
    Honesty is not something guaranteed by the law, it's the part of the moral code that helps guide people in their interactions. Just like the ten commandments are mostly not laws so are the laws of good conduct

    Anyway, I don't feel that we're really disagreeing here, we're viewing the same thing from different angles, mine is more leaning towards knowing everything before making my decision
    • #14
    • Nas
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    • On: 1/5/2007 9:47:31 PM
    dude, if you think marrying a woman is equivalent to buying a Toyota corolla then you've got some crossed wires up there :-D

    a person is not entitled to know absolutely everything. if another person wants to share it then so be it but i wouldn't recommend it. somethings are just meant to be between a mortal and his or her God; meant to be kept that way.

    i know a lot of people say "honesty is the best policy" simply because it's what people want to hear, especially women for some reason.

    but seriously, in some cases it's just not.

    that was my point, that was my angle.
    Nas it's an example man, Just an example. I would want to know things relating to me, maybe not everything that went in the mind of the designer. But I would want to know things, and then have the choice to accept them. That's all.

    And yes, Absolutely everything is not the goal here, but some things are related.
    And I stand by women's side on the honesty thing, no matter how cliche that might be. The flip side is what you don't know will not hurt you, but do you find that it really wouldn't hurt? What if he or she had an STD? What if he or she had a child or some lingering emotions. Wouldn't you want to at least ask these questions before you dive head first into the abyss?
    Excuse me for seeing marriage as such a huge turning point in someone's life, but I honestly and wholeheartedly think that it is.
    • #16
    • Iman
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    • On: 1/5/2007 10:08:10 PM
    Nas, hmm strange!  So lying about your past IF asked (and IF is key here..because no one needs to VOLUNTEER information) is supposed to be a good foundation for a marriage?
    • #17
    • Nas
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    • On: 1/5/2007 10:28:01 PM
    Q: im sure you see marriage as a huge turning point, and no doubt it is. nevertheless if someone feels such information is important to them then they should ask but the person they are asking is not entitled to incriminate themselves in the name of "honesty" or what is deemed "honesty". surely the manifestations of virtue surpass the female anatomy? surely you do not measure the weight of marriage based on virginity or lack there of?

    not to mention that these same prerequisites placed on a woman are not placed on her counter part. this whole surgery is merely leveling the playing field biologically and perhaps that is what scares some people.

    perhaps we should have a system in place where a doctor checks both the man and woman for stds, the women for her virginity and the man gets to take a polygraph test. then they both get certifications they can put on their marriage resume.

    we worry so much about honesty in such a dishonest world and we ignore other things like faith, trust and even love.

    iman: i didnt say anything about lying so your comment is irrelevant to anything i've just said. if you want to put words in my mouth that's fine, just don't expect me to bite.
    • #18
    • Iman
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    • On: 1/5/2007 10:37:49 PM
    Nas, Oh, I'm very sorry! it must've been your alter ego who wrote that : "i know a lot of people say "honesty is the best policy" simply because it's what people want to hear, especially women for some reason.

    but seriously, in some cases it's just not.

    that was my point, that was my angle."
    • #19
    • Nas
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    • On: 1/5/2007 10:48:35 PM
    iman, wow that is such a fallacy (otherwise known as bs) and the problem is you know it. by saying honesty is sometimes not best policy is not the same as saying lying is the best policy.
    • #20
    • Iman
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    • On: 1/5/2007 10:53:06 PM
    there it goes again...it's all over the place today! "honesty is one of those ideas that sounds great theoretically and just plain fails in practice. a potential suitor is told by a potential wife that she has had premarital sex (in the name of honesty) and things fall apart. she is socially cast aside."
    • #21
    • Iman
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    • On: 1/5/2007 10:57:16 PM
    Nas, reading what you said promoted such a question because it clearly suggests that one does not need to be honest about her past...I don't know..but isn't not being honest lying in one form or another? so here I am asking you the question again: Is lying about(or hiding)your past IF asked (and IF is key here..because no one needs to VOLUNTEER information) is supposed to be a good foundation for a marriage?
    Personally, everything needs to be laid out on the table, for everyone to examine, discuss and make a decision whether to go on or not.
    Over expecting?
    well, it is not that you are over expecting, but in real you will never know if things are really being put on the table or not so there is a possibility that some things will never be known. However, one must try to trust their own instinct in issues of honesty, then yetwakkal, and hope their expectations are put in the right place ;)
    • #24
    • Nas
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    • On: 1/6/2007 6:06:12 AM
    Iman: the answer to your specific question regarding that specific situation is no. nevertheless, to say that I'm recommending or suggesting lying as the better policy is just plain absurd.

    When Musa pbuh and Israelites experienced a long drought with no sign of water he gathered them to ask God for water who in return told him He would not make it rain as there was a man in the crowd who had disobeyed Him for 40 years. The man had to be removed in order for it  to rain. So Musa pbuh began interrogating people looking for the man and asking him to step forward. The man knew himself and feeling so ashamed of his sin he began to supplicate to God, repenting and asking not to expose him and so the rain began to fall. When Musa pbuh asked God who the man was God replied that He had concealed the man's sin for 40 years and after such repentance He would not reveal it now.  

    The point is that people sin. From a religious perspective it happens. Premarital sex is a religious element and it does take place and like any other sin people do regret it and do repent. So if we want to start interrogating women about their past in order to judge them as virtuous in God's eyes nonetheless, then we're either being selfish for our own stakes or playing God's lawyer.

    When the Prophet Mohammad pbuh said marry a woman for her religion, he didn't mean ask her if she's still a virgin and measure her virtue on that scale. In that same manner when I said honesty may not always be the best policy I was not implying that lying is.
    It's one thing to be exposed to the masses and another thing to be open your heart to the person who's going to share your whole world with you.
    The first one is a scandal while the other one will promote understanding compassion and a relax the tensions in a relationship promoting trust and tolerance and above all, honesty. Because all has been laid to sleep and what is left is moving forward

    Now, this might not be the case with everyone.

    There's a huge difference between deliberately deceiving someone in a premeditated fashion, and say, just hiding it. The two are not the same, and had that man been asked by Moses and he denied it he would have committed a greater sin.

    Everything can be argued both ways, and lets at least consider that we "WISH" to to receive whatever we are arguing for, Me a virgin or someone who's going to let me know everything before I get married, and you a lady that has gone through hymen reconstruction surgery for some reason but you wouldn't know that... now would you?
    • #26
    • Nas
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    • On: 1/6/2007 6:56:08 AM
    Q: have you just met the human race, and more specifically our people? if a girl tells a suitor she's not a virgin there's an 80% chance that not only will she be rejected but become a sandal unto herself.

    and no where in my comments have i suggested deliberately deceiving someone. a rape victim is restoring her own sense of virtue by having such a surgery. in your mind she's out to entrap a suitor.

    you can't white wash the whole situation as she's either lying or being honest, where one is virtuous and one is not.

    here's my suggestion to you: instead of asking every girl you meet and want to marry whether she's a certified virgin and if she wouldn't mind providing biological evidence to verify her status, I would develop the relationship until you are sure this is the person you want to marry. when you're in that position and you just know that this is right then a solid bridge of trust and communication will already be built and if she has something to admit then she will and if she doesnt and you discover she's not a virgin then it wouldn't and shouldn't matter at that point.

    or to put it in an anology you'll understand...if you grow to love the corolla when its really a civic then it shouldn't matter because all this time you were really digging the civic
    Although, I will bite my tongue regarding the tone of the last comment. I'll try to stick to the points and facts.

    We're not judging the actual act of premarital sex here, but rather the act of covering up.
    My view:
    a) it's not necessary
    b) It's falsification of facts
    c) Its an attempt (if undisclosed) to deceive a person who might have chosen differently had he known

    In affect the result is that someone has MANIPULATED someone else, and taken advantage of a well known condition.

    This is no different than the lady who has breast implants and doesn't tell her husband before hand. Same goes for the guy who has importance, or an STD, or a degenerative disease and fails to let his LIFE PARTNER know.

    Thank you for your suggestion, no matter how condescending that part of your comment was. I will choose to ignore it.
    • #28
    • Nas
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    • On: 1/6/2007 9:48:33 AM
    dude it was not meant to be condescending or sarcastic or what have you, in the least bit. that is my honest advice.

    secondly, losing one's virginity is not equal to having a degenerative illness. it is not a condition. it is deemed immoral and islamically unacceptable, but nevertheless not a disease.

    this surgery has valid medical uses which depend on intentions.

    men (specifically we arab men) are not so much afraid of the possibility of getting an std or even being lied to as much as it is the concept that she has been with another man.

    you had three points that make up your view, but let us put a rape victim in the mix. let us put a girl who made a mistake and has decided to do away with her past as all men have the option of doing.

    also i dont understand how a woman who decides to get breast implants without informing her husband is the same as a woman who doesnt tell a suitor that she's not a virgin. in any case, should we do away with breast implants and plastic surgery? a great deal of the benefecires of this specific surgery by the way are women who have recovered from breast cancer.

    here's an even better scenario for you brother...

    imagine you fall in love with a girl and decide to marry her. she then tells you the face you've grown to love is not hers but a facially reconstructed one after a horrible car accident.

    imagine the same scenario but with her telling you she's not a virgin.

    i don't want your answer...i just want you to think about your reaction to either case and what the end result would be. and i mean really internalize your answer deep down.
    Why do rape victims need to cover up!?It wasn't intentional, I didn't even touch on that because it's way too obvious. Rape victims are victims and will receive the sympathy and understand from ever one with or without the surgery.

    If anyone has insecurities regarding this matter, then it's their right to know, and I stand absolutely firm to that, there is no way that I would prefer deceit to honesty no matter what the cause might be. A person who deliberately tries to pass as someone else, or with other "enhancements" without informing the other party is definitely attempting to fool them. There is no question about that in my mind and from any angle you look at it. You are supposed to get what you "bargained" for not something else.

    If someone is going to share someone else's life, sharing something as trivial as a surgery, or an enhancements is really not that big of a deal

    Finally, if someone gets to know someone and loves the person. They will most likely prefer the person and the relationship and consciously accept the added risk for the sake of that person, because when all is said and done, that person will be worth more to them than their membrane or lack of.

    I think I have stated my position a million times already, "IF" I love the girl, everything else becomes meaningless! Virginity included
    Don't forget to ask her if she ever rode with men before!
    I sure will ... especially when she comes across playing shareefet makkeh. And Specifically if she goes talking about people behind thier backs playing all nice and innocent when she's neither and most importantly gossibs, bitter, arrogant, stupid and is totally narcissist with her ego. In fact, someone like that wouldn't be fit to wipe dirt off my shoe.
    واللي علي راسه بطحة.. بيحسس عليها
    • #32
    • Nas
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    • On: 1/6/2007 12:14:43 PM
    Q, you know for a fact that a rape victim's likelihood of getting married is slim if she lets it known that she was indeed raped. sympathy does not result in marriage.

    secondly i agree with you that deceit is not a good policy. but if a woman is asked whether she is a virgin and she says no then that is in fact deceit. but if she is not asked and the world keeps turning then there is no deceit taking place. my argument here is that sometimes some things are better kept secret as they only set unnecessary fires. in islamic jurisprudence it is even recommended that people who have committed zina not reveal it to the state because then it becomes a state matter that involves society and thus punishment as opposed to a personal matter that involves the person and God.

    it brings up the question of whether we seek out a life partner for their past or their present.

    "everything else will become meaningless, virginity included"...exactly...so how relevant is asking a girl whether she's a virgin really play out in any type of relationship?
    • #33
    • Hope
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    • On: 1/6/2007 12:21:36 PM
    Everything needs to be laid out on the table? In a fair game yes, not when a man's sexual history is an ace and a woman's sexual history is a lame card preferably unplayed.
    I really do not respect this whole deceiving surgery but hey I also have no respect whatsoever for our double standard society.
    In our society, there are four choices for a woman:
    1- sexually inactive
    2- sexually active WITHOUT loosing her virginity
    3- sexually active WITH loosing her virginity
    4- sexually active, lost her virginity AND had surgery
    Case one is a man's trophy: he can rest assured that he got the best deal ever.
    Case two is a man's dream: he thinks he got the best deal ever but other men know he didn't, and he will remain dreaming unless he happens to meet one of them and gets a wake up call.
    Case three is a man's nightmere: he knows BUT he would rather noone else does. His openmindedness in this case is just like her long lost virginity: something he is ashamed of and would rather not be discussed.
    Case four is AGAIN a man's trophy: he thinks he got the best deal, well UNTILL he meets one of the guys, gets the wake up call, goes into a nightmere, and the vicious cycle begins, or does it actually continue because it really never came to an end??
    Without hymen reconstruction, chances are a man in love will grow out of love. As deceiving as hymen reconstruction is, it is being done and untill we reconstruct our double standards into one that applies to both genders, can we really blame girls who do it????
    Well, Many people do get married for sympathy, I've seen it happen with my own eyes. Additionally, that's one very acceptable justification for non-virginity. If a specific suitor doesn't like that, there are plenty others who wouldn't mind, Me included.

    The part about keeping something a secret from the masses I agree with, but not the specific person who's going to share everything with her, she's going to be regarded as part of his honor and that means a lot in the Arabic/Islamic mindset. If he so chose to, let it go. That's fine, otherwise someone else would accept.

    That is a very good question Nas, in my personal view, we look for the relationship, the person, the future, the stability, the security the affection anything that guarantees our future. It's simplistic think that virginity would guarantee any of that. That's why I'm not so keen on that matter by it self.

    The matter is not "Asking the girl if she's a virgin" but rather, "Why is a girl hiding behind a hymen reconstruction surgery"
    I'm frankly with options 1 and 2 and 3 as long as they're aware and discussed and agreed upon...
    Totally against 4, unless there's a life threatning situation. And in most cases there isn't (life threatning situation = parents checking her out for virginity and vowing to kill her, husband has no right in that)
    But when checking, a good doctor will know if she had had surgery or not! So ...hmm I won'der if that works

    You know, scratch what I just said, I'm ok with all 4 options as long as I'm aware of them.
    Being physically virgin has nothing to do with when the soul,spirit,sincere words are non-virgin..That's it..
    You too can have your Memories Documented

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