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وداد ... وداد.... وداد من جديد

  • By: Qwaider

  • On:Tuesday, September 26, 2006 5:04:31 AM
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    الصراحة ... طفح الكيل... و بانت النوايا السيئة.. و اما بعد...

    تحدثنا و باستفاضة على الموضوع اياه و بعدين؟ بعدين معاكي يا وداد؟؟؟ هل ستطرينا الي اقامة حملة وطنية لأقالة وداد من جيران؟؟ ام تكفّي عن سكب البنزين على النار؟

    على فكرة انا كنت حابب انّى ما انشر هذا المقال ... لكن بسبب رفض وداد نشر تعليقاتي على مقالاتها ... فلم اجد مجال الا ان انشره...

     يا اختي ادعي الي المسيحية كما تشائين... بشّري ذات اليمين و ذات الشمال... اعقدي الدروس و الحلقات ... اكتبي عن الله و يسوع و الخلاص و ما شئت .. انتي حرة

    لكن لماذا تحاملك المحموم و الواضح على الاسلام؟ يا اختي روحي اهدي اليهود اليسو من قتل المسيح؟ روحي اهدي الافارقة و من لا دين عندهم.. وحلّي عنّا!

    بين كل موضوع و موضوع لك... موضوع تذمّين فيه الدين الاسلامي امّا مباشرة او تورية .. و لعلمك ... لستِ بذلك الذكاء الخارق كي تمر تورياتك علينا. فكفي عنا... وكفي سمّك عنّا... و عن المسحيين اللآخرين الذين يعانون بسبب اشكالك... ممن برشون البنزين على النار ليحققو اهدافهم المشبوهة

    فلا انتي تحبي احد... و لا احد يحب فوقية اي حد لتعلّمه انه داخل النار لا محالة... لولا صكوك الغفران التي توزعيها جنابك! ام تستمتعين بالتعليق على موقعك باسماء لمسلمين كي تزيدي في كره الناس لكي

    لا اريد ان اتناقش معك... و لا اريد اي شيء غير احترامك لديني كما احترم دينك... هل رأيتيني اكتب عن فظائع المسيحية في محاكم التفتيش؟ او عن النازيين او عن دعم الكنيسة لهم؟ اوعن من ابدع في اختراع ادوات التعذيب؟ ومن جاب العالم مروجا لتجارة الرقيق؟

    ارجوك... باسم الرب... باسم ياسوع المسيح... باسم الصليب والطاهرة مريم العذراء استحلفك ان تكفّي ... بالله عليكي ان تكفي... قبل فوات الاوان... فلا تشعليها فتنه .. لا يستفيد منها غير ذوي الاغراض الدنيئة..

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    • #1
    • Nancy
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 9/26/2006 1:13:32 PM
    I also posted a respond on Widad's blog but she never posted it. The question to Widad if you want a blog, by definition a blog involves comments. If you want a website, go to netsol.com and create a website where you can post your views without rebuttals.
    • #2
    • omar
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 9/26/2006 1:28:42 PM
    oh oh

    you shouldn't mention Virgin Mary!

    omar
    • #3
    • Moe
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 9/26/2006 1:31:30 PM
    Same here.

    I posted about an arson attack at my local mosque but she never accepted the comment...weird innit?
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/5376254.stm
    • #4
    • Salam
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 9/26/2006 2:07:34 PM
    I actually question the authinticity of the article Wedad posted since the logic is absurd. The writer actually makes you feel sorry for the Copts by saying things "just because they built the Pyramids...." I mean common. Are there intolerent people? yes. But is Egypt intolerent, NO. It goes without saying that we should condemn intolerance. And the Copts should be treated equally like any other Egyptian citizen.
    • #5
    • Sami Ajlouni
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 9/26/2006 2:52:54 PM
    Personally, I'm not concerned with the garbage comments/ideas from the likes of Wedad, as I believe in my religion and know it will prevail at the end (are you reading this Wedad?). Many people around the world are continously aiming to tarnish Islam (didn't the Pope try that couple of weeks ago?!), so it doesn't really surprise me to see Wedad getting excited doing it.    
    the best thing to do is boycott Wedad's site..do not read anything she posts on her site and do not try to post comments there too..as simple as that. this way she should not bother anyone in anyway. simple and clear.
    • #7
    • OmAr
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 9/26/2006 3:01:22 PM
    I kinda realized that it's about copts in Egypt, so, I think it's always useful to take a look at this formal site for the Copts in Egypt, take a look at the articles.
    http://www.copts-united.com/
    Qwaider,

    I don't think the so called "Abdullah"'s comment is appropiate for publish.

    I thought we are alot mature than that.

    Peace
    • #10
    • Hayati
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 9/26/2006 4:14:43 PM
    Wedad poted a short while ago that we should stop visiting her blog and that she's free to allow comments or not..
    she is closing the whole issue in a rude way but at least she declared the whole thing over with..
    Qwaider..thank you for posting this..she listens to you:)
    • #11
    • Abdullah
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 9/26/2006 4:45:22 PM
    quwaider wallah ya akhi, enu hay elmara ma 3endha zou2 wehaik bedha
    • #12
    • kinzi
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 9/26/2006 6:01:46 PM
    Qwaidar, no fair posting stuff I can't read (Wedad too).

    I thought Jordan Planet was a little more enlightened and tolerant place than it appears to be. I'm very surprised at some of the posts and comments, not just here.

    I'm sad to think that Qwaidar would insult Wedad and the faith she and I share, or that she would insult him or his faith.
    Kinzi, I would under no circumstances, what so ever insult Her, You and most certainly not Christianity.
    My post is as is asking her to STOP her inflammatory articles and show some respect to other's beliefs and religions.

    Again, I wouldn't ever, under any circumstance insult Christianity or it's followers, I wouldn't even hint of disrespect in any way. And all my post adhere (religiously) to these rules
    • #14
    • Abdullah
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 9/26/2006 6:27:33 PM
    kinzi,
    Qwaider has not insulted no one, its Wedad that were doing the insults to the point I was tempted my self to insult her. On the contrary I think qwaider handled her more than fair.
    I hope you don't follow in her footsteps.
    We muslims we don't insult faiths, we do respect your right to have the faith you want. But when some one invent things up like Wedad did, that's when people get upset. Our manners that Islam taught us do not allow us insuting faith, as "to you is your religion, and for me is mine". We will not be sitting ducks our faith being insulted and be quiet about it. Qwaider tried to keep the brother love in humanity but she keeps intimidating us.
    She does not want to be transparent, she deletes responses and argument rebuttals. I didn't see qwaider on the other hand does that. The only thing I saw he deleted my entry as i attacked her personally in a moment of anger of her behavior, and he was rightfully doing so "May Allah forgive me". We are fasting now and we like to keep our cool so Peace, and have nice day
    • #15
    • Roba
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 9/26/2006 7:30:34 PM
    Why are you all making such a huge deal out of this (and by you I mean both parties involved)?

    O shu hal 7aki about Jeeran o ma Jeeran? Why get personal?

    Muslims are always refering of people of other religions as "Al-qorood o Il Khanazeer". I know you personally wouldn't do that, but we have many a scholar who does. Did that affect Christianity? Did that defame Jesus? No. Same for Islam.

    Khalas ya 3ami, khali il nas ye7qu ili bedhom eyah, kol wa7ed la dinoh, bala preaching bala bateekh. It doesn't work that way.
    Roba, with all due respect, No one says "Qrood and Khanazeer" about Christians, PLEASE verify before you do such a claim.

    Second, the whole idea is to ask Wedad, Nicely to stop fueling more problems, and stop her inflammatory articles. She's free to do and say what ever she wants, but just as we respect her religion, we expect her to respect ours too.

    The reason Jeeran is into the picture is that unlike anywhere else, Jeeran actually have a "Terms of use" policy which is clearly violated here.

    Read my article Roba, you will notice that I am 100 pro people saying what ever they want with ONE exception. Unjustly attacking other people's religion. That will stir controversy and will get people upset
    • #17
    • Ziad
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 9/26/2006 8:35:03 PM
    Just a note about the Arabic article concerning the Copts:

    Didn't anyone here realize that the author was being SARCASTIC!!

    He was trying to make a point about the idiocy and close-mindedness behind the ideology that drives some people to do these criminal acts.
    Ziad, Bravo 3alaik
    That is EXACTLY the point I was trying to make to Wedad in my comment on her blog. But she deleberatly didn't post it... here's the comment:
    على فكرة انا فاهم انه قصدك انهم بتضهدون المسيحيين.. و لكن القصة  واضحة انها مروية بالعكس و الدليل : المقدمة (المقولة الشيطانية) بس اكيد لبس عليكي الامر بين شيطانية و اسلامية لأنهم نفس الشي عندك
    في أخر المقال، بيشبه حال الاقباط بالفلسطينيين اصحاب الحق والتاريخ يعني هو مش مع الكلام .. و بيأكد عكسة...
    لكن انتي كعادتك .. ما بتصدقي تلاقي شغلة زي هيك على شان تخلقي كمان فتنه..
    انتي مع مين؟؟ بدّك العالم يقطعو بعض؟؟ هاد هدفك؟ ما بتعرفي تبطلي تولعيها؟
    انا حابب اشوف هاد التعليق... لأني مش حابب ارجع اكتب مقالات فيكي
    • #19
    • Abdullah
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 9/26/2006 9:01:00 PM
    I gather that this Roba person is not a Muslim from what she has wrote above. I would like you when you quote about Muslims to qoute honestly and accuretly. Allah in the Glorious Quran refered to the incident where He degraded the Jews at that time to Pigs and Monkeys. Do you have an objection on that?
    As for us we have not brought that issue as the reference are for the Jews and not Annasara.

    And you said "Khalas ya 3ami, khali il nas ye7qu ili bedhom eyah, kol wa7ed la dinoh, bala preaching bala bateekh. It doesn't work that way." I hope that you meant Wedad by that as we have not preached to no one including you.
    and Finally, let people preach what ever they want to, we don't mind because "albaqa2 lil 3aqeeda athabita al7aqa".
    But when preaching transgress red lines of insulting faith of 1500 million people, it has to stop. We can stop it, as we have the truthfull arguments to do so.
    Please, don't fall in the big sin of miss-qouting.
    Have a nice day
    • #20
    • MamaPapa
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 9/26/2006 10:38:21 PM
    Wedad proves there are bigots on all sides. It seems she learned the Hitler-youth pope's trick to quote others and then distance herself from the nasty quotes. I say she is free to be rude and offensive, but she has to accept counter points of views without being too sensative. You know the saying: if you dish it out you have ot take it.
    I'm curious as to what the Muslims would do if someone would have the gumption to depict the prophet Muhammad (pbuh)submerged in urine the way artist Andres Serrano did to the Messias Jesus Christ.?!This is why I keep telling you guys that freedom of speech has seamless boundries, no one should be allowed to challenge the freedom of speech. I know "freedom of speech" has a vague definition and it means different things to different people, still, we must be tolerant enough to understand  and exercise the freedom of speect to its fullest extent. I hope that no one charge me with blasphemy for what I just wrote because I hate to be lebeled a heretic, I just love freedom of speech.
    • #22
    • ZamZoom
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 9/26/2006 11:15:03 PM
    Hatem, Freedom of speech came about to protect the weak from the powerful. The constitutions of the free word did not exist for the benefit of the strong. So when whites trash blacks in America, no one says its free speech or freedom of expression. But according to you, the Blacks should just close an eye and let it go. Do you what will happen if the Blacks close and eye on such insluts, they will have to deal with it in the press, media, streets, workplace. Is this your idea of free speech and freedom of expression for Arabs and Muslims?

    You seem to have a very distorted view of what freedom of speech and expressn mean. If Arabs and Muslims were a Super Power, I will be the first to say BIG DEAL. But today the oppostie is true. We have been the subject of intense discrimination and centies of confrontations with Europe not to mention Orientialism which never seems to go away. Do you really want Arabs to listen to these insults in the streets of France or Germany and just look the other ways as people insult their religious symbols? Where will it end Hatem. I think your understanding of liberalism  and its historical roots is a bit shallow.
    السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاتـه

    بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم [يريدون ان يطفؤا نور الله بأفواههم ولكن الله متم لنورة ولو كرة الكافرون]صدق الله العظيم
    الدين الاسلامى لا يجبر اى أحد على الدخول فيه بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم (لاإكراه فى الدين قد تبين الرشد من الغى فمن يكفر بالطاغوت ويؤمن بالله فقد استمسك بالعروة الوثقى لاانفصام لها والله سميع عليم) لانجبر أحد على الدخول فى الدين الاسلامى كما وضحت الاية الكريمة بعكس غيرنا الذين يقومون ببعثات تبشيرية فى جميع انحاء العالم وذلك بالاغراء بالمال
    (لكن خلاصة القول ( لكم دينكم ولى دينى
    السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاتـه

    بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم [يريدون ان يطفؤا نور الله بأفواههم ولكن الله متم لنورة ولو كرة الكافرون]صدق الله العظيم
    الدين الاسلامى لا يجبر اى أحد على الدخول فيه بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم (لاإكراه فى الدين قد تبين الرشد من الغى فمن يكفر بالطاغوت ويؤمن بالله فقد استمسك بالعروة الوثقى لاانفصام لها والله سميع عليم) لانجبر أحد على الدخول فى الدين الاسلامى كما وضحت الاية الكريمة بعكس غيرنا الذين يقومون ببعثات تبشيرية فى جميع انحاء العالم وذلك بالاغراء بالمال
    (لكن خلاصة القول ( لكم دينكم ولى دينى

    Mmmmmmmmmm,
    What about the kidnapped in Gaza Fox news correspondent Steve Centanni and camera man Olaf Wiig allegedly were forced at gun point to convert to Islam while they were held in captivity by Hamas Gunmen,this is according to a published NewYork Times reports.
    Abdullah, Please do lets remain respectful to each other and harbor different points of view. I would really appreciate it if you do not attack Roba's person but focus on the idea instead. (I will not tolerate any personal attacks). She gave her point of view, and I'm appreciative of that even if I disagree with it. (And abdullah, it was inappropriate for you to call Wedad those names, that's why you comment was removed, lets please stick to civilized discussion)
    MamaPapa, that is absolutely true, our enemy, every one's enemy is intolerance and bigotry.
    Hatem#1, it's forbidden to depict Mohammad. Period.
    ZamZoom, thanks, but I wouldn't consider it shallow really. Maybe just different
    Eman, Thank you very much for that
    Hatem#2: This is the position of Allah, and Quran. What certain people have committed is by no means a proof against Islam.
    You stating the Obvious will not change anything. I do not want to talk about the people who were forced into Christianity by gunpoint in (and even into extinction) Like the Red Indians, Mayans and Aztecs. Does this mean that Jesus asked for this? No he didn't. But followers may and do violate the law
    إيش في؟ مين هاي وداد؟ حاسس حالي زي الأطرش في الزفه
    عالعموم يا قويدر أنا أعتبرها صدفه جميله ودعوه لقراءة قصة ربى قعوار في مقالي اللأخير،والتي لم أقصد فيه الاّ عرض القصة فقط، والله يهدي الجميع ، و يجعل الإحترام أوّل و آخر همنا ، فلندع الخلق للخالق، ولننادي بإحترام جميع الأديان كما تعودنا
    • #27
    • ZamZoom
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 9/27/2006 3:42:00 AM
    Hatem, you are allover the map and your throwing mud everywhere. what's the hostage taking in gaza got to do with Wedad's posts and the reactions? Shu jab tuzz la marhaba?

    Have you heard of the term non sequiter. do some search on it.

    "non sequitur"
    • #29
    • ZamZoom
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 9/27/2006 3:54:03 AM
    Roba says "Muslims are always refering of people of other religions as "Al-qorood o Il Khanazeer"

    SAY WHAT?!?

    Good God! I thought the Hitler-Youth Pope was bad when it comes to fabricating facts. This post from Roba is beyond fabrication.
    Yes, she misunderstood and made a mistake. I don't think there are any ill intentions. Roba is a good person. I doubt she means any harm
    • #31
    • Abdullah
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 9/27/2006 4:16:05 AM
    Qwaider,
    We are not talking about intentions here, as Allah only know intentions of each of us. We are talking about words spoken. I made a mistake of attacking Wedad, personally after all of her
    comments which you brought to us in your post, and I have asked Allah for forgiveness. So you don't have to rub it in, thats not a brotherly conduct. You can go to ROba and explain to her yourself what proper since you know her well. It seems the theme of these posts is to encourage bashing Islam and Muslims, and that I will not let go uncontested.
    I will support you as long as you are within the bounderies of Islam. I have not seen so far any thing that will alram me, but rest assured I will correct you if you need to be. As I have accepted correction when I did transgress what I do consider proper behavior in a moment of anger that was induced by when you talked about Wedad.
    I still value your brotherhood as I am a Muslim and you are too.
    Assalaamu 3ala man itaba3a alhuda
    I actually just read the previous post "alradd 3ala wedad" and now I understand, although I did not see her blog yet, and it has ruba qewar's story! Amazing :-) I'm happy that people are getting into this story. Qwaider do you really know Ruba? i actually was telling a friend of her last week that i really wish to meet her in person! elhamdolellah o allah yehdi el jamee3, thanx
    Abdullah, ya 3azeezi, please don't take my words personally, and Thank God people like you are around to keep everyone honest in case case I err
    As you know, to err is only human. We all do that, but at times, it might be better to stand by and help people who make mistakes. It might be a better approach
    Rest assured that I wouldn't take offence from you. But at the same time, I can sit by and see anyone get attacked for a mishap. Especially when it is outside the focus of the issue at hand. That doesn't only apply to you, but to everyone. I hope you understand

    Mohammad, Yes I know Ruba Qewar personally, I've known her for many years since she was in Jordan. You might be happy to know that she's an editor for an Islamic children's magazine in Texas now. And she's a wonderful and religious sister. I'm so proud of her
    yee! i never read the relegious posts by widad, wallah its good to know this, thanks quaider!!
    • #35
    • Muna
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 9/27/2006 9:09:29 AM
    انا بقول خلوها تبشر من هون لعشر سنين !! مين رح يرد عليها !!
    والحل الامثل لانهاء هذا النوع من المشاكل هو مقطاعة بلوغ وداد وما حدا يعطي تعليق على اي شيء بتنشره
    لانه نحنا مش بمزاجها لما نعطي تعليق بعجبها بتنشره ولما نكتب شي مات بتحبه بتلغيه !! بكل صراحة بقلك حلي عنا يا وداد
    • #36
    • wedad
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 9/27/2006 10:01:21 AM
    Muna, ana 7aleh 3nkom bs ento mo 7alin... and for truth actually this is what i want, boycutt my blog, and i dont want anyone to read what iam posting... ijat mnkom... على قولتك اللي بدو يسمع يسمع والي ما بدو يرد هو حر انا مو ضاربة حدا على ايدو..
    this is what iam posting , please boycutt my blog please]

    quwader, already said sorry already deleted the posts that u saw it against islam... and iam not posting or writing anything aagainst you or ur relegion.... what do u want more???!!!tell me and i will do it for you.... 3shan te3raf eno ana ma bedo mashakel..i want this thing to finishe more than you do...
    you have my email. anything pleas send it to my email.. 3shan el2osa tez'3ar mo tekbar.

    for others, no comment I love you all....
    • #37
    • kinzi
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 9/27/2006 10:04:42 AM
    Qwaid, where to begin? I got the translations of the posts and now I am very very upset. But, I'm still smiling and will still come back to enjoy your blog.

    First off, we now need to redefine 'insult'. What you wrote WAS insulting, to any Christian. Talking about getting her fired from Jeeran was more than an insult. I know now that to say anything negative about Islam is an insult, but to say the same thing about Christianity is not.

    Let me be clear: to call anyone one 'kafir' is an insult, whether it is what your relgion says we are or not. This word IS clearly heard from Friday preaching at any masjid in Amman.

    Like Roba, I have also heard "Khanaziir"...I may not read Arabic, but I understand well. I have also heard it directed to me many times, in shops and on the streets. Hatem mentioned it on another post at Tololy's.

    Also to redefine 'respect'.To talk of Muslims becoming Christians is not respectful, but to talk of Christians becoming Muslims is ok?. I've met Roba Kawwar's parents, and I know they made mistakes that hurt her. I also know many people like Wedad posted about, who had the exact same  life change going in the other direction. But, if they had a web-site in Jordan, there lives would be in danger.

    This is an incredible double standard, and the tirade of commenters in this line of thinking would be enough for any minority opinion to be silenced into never blogging again. And is why the other Christian bloggers are silent. I'm sure none of them does not want this kind of fire-storm on their blog. They all know it isn't worth it to provoke the responses here. It's a form of censorship.

    So we are quiet, and don't often confront the contempt that we know lies under the thin veneer of 'respect' for us. Or the amazing disinformation and untruths about what we believe. But sometimes, like Wedad did, we get tired of the 'yes, massa" stance and provoke the tirade. I wrote an article for VIVA in July on this subject, and my editors made me re-write it 3 times to make it 'palatable' enough. Maybe I'll ask Khalidah to post it for me.  

    I'm still smiling, not saracastic, I just wanted you to hear my heart.

    Ok, I'll answer Kinzi first,
    Kinzi, Apparently, your translation was anything but accurate allow me to translate it for you.

    Translation:
    Frankly, I've had enough, and the ill intentions are apparent in [in your posts], furthermore..
    We talked and in length about the same old subject [Ruba's conversion vs some bogus story about some guy] Now what weded? Do you want to force us to have a campaign to get you fired from Jeeran [for violating the policy]? or are you going to stop pouring gas on the fire?
    By the way, I didn't want to post this article, but due to Wedads refusal to post our comments on her articles, I found no other way but to publish this.
    My dear sister [Wedad], you may preach to Christianity as you like. Be a missionary left and right. Conduct sessions and lessons. Write about God, Jesus and Salvation as you like, you are Free.
    But why do you have this inflamed prejudice against Islam? My dear sister, Go preach the Jews, didn't they kill Jesus? Go and preach to Africans, or atheists. And leave us in peace.
    Every other article, you either directly or indirectly curse the Islamic religion. And for your information, you're not that smart for your indirect words to pass uncontested. So let us be, and stop spraying your poison towards us. And unto other Christians who are suffering because the likes of you. Who keep pouring gas onto fire to achieve some ill intentions.
    You don't love anyone, and no one likes to be treated in a condescending matter telling them that they're going to hell no doubt. If it wasn't for "instrument of atonement" that you exclusively monopolize. Or do you enjoy commenting on your own site with Muslim names to make people hate you more?
    I don't want to argue with you, I just want you to respect my religion just as I respect yours. Have you ever seen me talk about atrocities committed by the Church during the inquisitions, or Nazis and how the Church supported them? or who perfected instruments of torture, or roamed the world trafficking slavery?

    I plea to you, in the name of the lord, In the name of Jesus Christ, in the name of the Cross and the virgin Mary, I plea to you to stop. For god's sake stop. Before it's too late. Please do not fuel more provocations that will only benefit people with ill wishes.

    Now, Kinzi, With this translation. Please illustrate to me where have I insulted Christianity or Christians. Or where have I practiced oppression against minorities.
    The two articles one is inflammatory about some writing asking to drive the Copts out of Egypt (who he apparently say in parody) while the other talks about a false and terrorist (god)

    This whole arguement is such an interesting example of how things have changed.

    Muslims and Christians in Jordan used to debate religous matters face to face, usually with tact and extreme care ... but not in blogs which are becoming a public outlet for 'hidden feelings' of some people on both sides.

    Dangerous....
    Wedad, All we all asked for is for you to respect our religion. Just as we respect yours...
    Nothing more

    Now Answering the second part of Kinzi's comment.
    Kinzi, there are bigots on both sides of the fence. The rule in Islam is CLEAR as the Sun. Muslims are to respect and assist "People of the book". That's the rule.
    People tend to go to extremes not because it's mandated by religion, But rather because this is their own fault. These can not be taken as a proof against the religion itself. Which if anything promotes tolerance and understanding to the extreme.
    • #41
    • ZamZoom
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 9/27/2006 10:55:44 AM
    This is scary. We have extremnists on both sides confusing the debate. I want to set the record straight as to why I got involved in this and to distance myselef from some of the radicals here and there.

    My only objection was to the fact Wedad asked a question about a controversial article she posted and refused to accept comments. It was obvious the intention was not a debate but propaganda. She is entitled to say what she wants but other bloggers are entitled to disagree or agree, either directly on her blog or on theirs.

    Other than that, I don't have any issue with her.
    Asalam 3alaykom,
    Most of you guys who are defending wedad or even tolerence haven't read her articals..and most importantly haven't read her comments on my blog which stirred this whole thing from the begining..
    All i did was protest to the fact that she is using pieces of verses from the quran in a wrong way that would misinform about my holy book..and she is calling for muslims to leave their religion and be christians or else they will go to hell!!as clear as that..
    Her comments on my post was very rude and she clearly said we are blinded and ruled by satan..
    And she wouldn't stop..even days after the whole issue was over and she deleted the posts..i have over a hundred comments on the posts because she would come again and throw rocks at us..
    So..it is not about disrespect or telling her what she would and wouldn't say!!
    it's about demending minimum respect for ourselves..and speaking for my self...i will never shut up when it comes to my religion wether others like it or not..still..i've always been polite and decent when i adress my openions..
    so please..want it over???
    Then call it over..
    لكم دينكم ولي دين...فكونا من ها السولافة الطرمة!
    • #44
    • Aman
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 9/27/2006 2:47:13 PM
    I think this is a healthy phenomena. We can talk, argue, shout, even exchaneg nasty words everynow and then, but at the end still accept disagreements and forgive mistakes.

    The diffculty in debating religious issues is that we have a polarized environment thanks to the cartoons and the pope.

    May be in a different time, this discussion would not have registered on any ones' radar.

    be that as it may, it does not hurt for as to be more sensative to others and as for the very religious people on both sides, please rememebr that we have debated religion for 14 centuries (and longer if you count jewish christian debate) and not much can be added except to fuel resentment.

    BUT I am all for exposing discrimination and intolerance. This is not debating religion, this is working towards a better society. And as a Muslim, and in the majority, I do feel a sense of responsiblity that no acts of bigotry are commmitted in my name.
    • #45
    • kinzi
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 9/28/2006 8:26:28 AM
    Qwaidar, somehow my comment from yesterday never got posted. Must be God saying khallas, Your translation was much clearer than Google's, btw.

    Anyway, since Wedad's posts are not available, it seems comments were as much a problem as posts, and my laundry and dishes are piling up, up, I need to drop it as well.

    I am sorry for entering in frustration whichly was partly fueled by recent posts on other blogs (and my own negative experiences), and for not believing the best about this situation. Seeing your 6/25 post mentioned by Basem helped me see a bit more of your pursuit of things I would like to see reformed also.  
    • #46
    • zaid m
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 9/28/2006 8:44:10 AM
    please, ma 7ada ygeeb seerah la abu zana6 3an halmoudou3 :)
    • #47
    • wedad
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 9/28/2006 1:33:04 PM
    qwaider, which i already did!!!!! when i deleted the post!
    caller if u want me to publich again the post i will ... there is no insulting in it.. just a man expereince... and his testimony go and suie him... you need to accept this fact that there are a lot of people beleive in Jesus (muslem, jews, bothieen, even chrisitans) and they are a lot.. i deal with them day by day in my church..

    again caller, why u want me to shut my mouhth while all of you are publishing websites and blogs against Jesus and christianity.. (not talking about you, just in general) u r 1000, and iam 1 from 1000>>> this is fair for me. as i said and promised you all iam not going to post anythign about islam.. coz really its not my point or my target at all. my target is salvation for the souls whether u r muslem, jews, bothieen, even christians....
    God bless you
    sa7 ya wedad..you are absolutly right..
    ah..and Q..did i mention that i'm celebrating karin's shahada on my blog..She became a muslim..may allah bless her:)
    No WAY..... REALLY??? This is amazing!!
    WOW!!
    Wedad, point me to anyone who attacks Jesus Christ and I would be the first to fight back.

    By the way, this article is not about those two articles, but about the two after that.
    • #50
    • Moey
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 9/29/2006 3:44:36 AM
    Qwaider, inta kol week 3ala 7ad shekel? seriously?
    first about roba and you not being in jordan planet or toot whatever, then me for starbucks, then wedad.. i wonder who's next? abed?
    stop taking things personal
    No Moey, I don't attack people for fun, if this is what you're trying to say. This is talking about a serious matter and as you can see from the number of replies (each Worth a post or more) that it's a heated discussion. (You should see how many comments I had to delete because they were Tooooooooo harsh)

    Next, I never attacked you, I had a discussion with you, and it turned out ugly (and I'm still sorry for that, and I hope you will forgive me, because I will not forgive my self for that, it was not my intention, and I swear I didn't know)

    As for Roba ... Can't resist the temptation :)
    • #52
    • wedad
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 9/30/2006 9:45:25 AM
    qwaider god will judge me for the posts not YOU!! unless iza 7atet 7alak ma7al rabna on earth..
    احنا بدناش نخلص من هالسيرة!؟ شفتيني رجعت حكيت شي عنّك؟ والا طبيت فيكي؟ واللا دستلك على طرف من جديد؟
    انا سألتك سؤال وطلبت منك شغلة بسيطة.. ورجيني مين عم يسب عالمسيح.. و انا اوّل واحد بيتصدي الو..
    شو مالك صاحية منكّدة اليوم والا شو بالضبط؟
    • #54
    • abdullah
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 9/30/2006 10:26:45 AM
    Wedad,
    You keep at it. You don't know when to stop.
    I am ready to debate you without take it personal. would you accept?
    You can seek help in this debate from all your Christian community from all over the world. But we have to agree on following the truth
    that will come out of it, as truth cannot be but one when it comes to Allah. If you cannot handle a debate in a very professional manner then drop. You have reached an age where you cannot keep acting like a child, and we will not allow you to do so here.
    I assure you of that. we as Muslims dont start a fight.
    But if we are forced into a fight we can assure you we will be fair.
    And we will not use any tactics based on lies or deciet,
    If you are willing I am ready. And me alone so there is no 1:1000
    ratio thing.
    Fair?
    You too can have your Memories Documented

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