Fadi:الله يرحمها و يجعل مثواها بعليين و يجمعك معها بالجنة بعد عم%
بلوجر بالعربي:looks very good
بلوجر بالعربي:مفيد جداً
Noura:Different home, but same longing and nostalgia .. it seems we are chasing a mirage , Beirut of my dreams does not exist nor the people i miss .. i don't know if my gains were worth the losses ? I
price waves repeat:The other day, while I was at work, my sister stole my iphone and tested to see if it can survive a 25 foot drop, just so she can be a youtube sensation. My iPad is now broken
Sara:You can say that again!God Bless🕊
ياسمين حميد:كما هي طبيعتنا نحن العرب، عند الانتقال بين منصة وأخرى لا نحت%
Sara:No, never meaningless.. amen ya Raby🙏God Bless🕊
Qwaider:These possessions are meaningless as you said, but it's still painful to let go :( May Allah grant you all you wish for and unite you with your loved ones
Sara:Wallah bro we literally own nothing, not even our own flesh & blood.. I always wished to have a corner, a special wall, and never did. Moved more than you can imagine, and currently not having my own
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Memories....
you shouldn't mention Virgin Mary!
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I posted about an arson attack at my local mosque but she never accepted the comment...weird innit?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/5376254.stm
http://www.copts-united.com/
I don't think the so called "Abdullah"'s comment is appropiate for publish.
I thought we are alot mature than that.
Peace
she is closing the whole issue in a rude way but at least she declared the whole thing over with..
Qwaider..thank you for posting this..she listens to you:)
I thought Jordan Planet was a little more enlightened and tolerant place than it appears to be. I'm very surprised at some of the posts and comments, not just here.
I'm sad to think that Qwaidar would insult Wedad and the faith she and I share, or that she would insult him or his faith.
My post is as is asking her to STOP her inflammatory articles and show some respect to other's beliefs and religions.
Again, I wouldn't ever, under any circumstance insult Christianity or it's followers, I wouldn't even hint of disrespect in any way. And all my post adhere (religiously) to these rules
Qwaider has not insulted no one, its Wedad that were doing the insults to the point I was tempted my self to insult her. On the contrary I think qwaider handled her more than fair.
I hope you don't follow in her footsteps.
We muslims we don't insult faiths, we do respect your right to have the faith you want. But when some one invent things up like Wedad did, that's when people get upset. Our manners that Islam taught us do not allow us insuting faith, as "to you is your religion, and for me is mine". We will not be sitting ducks our faith being insulted and be quiet about it. Qwaider tried to keep the brother love in humanity but she keeps intimidating us.
She does not want to be transparent, she deletes responses and argument rebuttals. I didn't see qwaider on the other hand does that. The only thing I saw he deleted my entry as i attacked her personally in a moment of anger of her behavior, and he was rightfully doing so "May Allah forgive me". We are fasting now and we like to keep our cool so Peace, and have nice day
O shu hal 7aki about Jeeran o ma Jeeran? Why get personal?
Muslims are always refering of people of other religions as "Al-qorood o Il Khanazeer". I know you personally wouldn't do that, but we have many a scholar who does. Did that affect Christianity? Did that defame Jesus? No. Same for Islam.
Khalas ya 3ami, khali il nas ye7qu ili bedhom eyah, kol wa7ed la dinoh, bala preaching bala bateekh. It doesn't work that way.
Second, the whole idea is to ask Wedad, Nicely to stop fueling more problems, and stop her inflammatory articles. She's free to do and say what ever she wants, but just as we respect her religion, we expect her to respect ours too.
The reason Jeeran is into the picture is that unlike anywhere else, Jeeran actually have a "Terms of use" policy which is clearly violated here.
Read my article Roba, you will notice that I am 100 pro people saying what ever they want with ONE exception. Unjustly attacking other people's religion. That will stir controversy and will get people upset
Didn't anyone here realize that the author was being SARCASTIC!!
He was trying to make a point about the idiocy and close-mindedness behind the ideology that drives some people to do these criminal acts.
That is EXACTLY the point I was trying to make to Wedad in my comment on her blog. But she deleberatly didn't post it... here's the comment:
في أخر المقال، بيشبه حال الاقباط بالفلسطينيين اصحاب الحق والتاريخ يعني هو مش مع الكلام .. و بيأكد عكسة...
لكن انتي كعادتك .. ما بتصدقي تلاقي شغلة زي هيك على شان تخلقي كمان فتنه..
انتي مع مين؟؟ بدّك العالم يقطعو بعض؟؟ هاد هدفك؟ ما بتعرفي تبطلي تولعيها؟
انا حابب اشوف هاد التعليق... لأني مش حابب ارجع اكتب مقالات فيكي
As for us we have not brought that issue as the reference are for the Jews and not Annasara.
And you said "Khalas ya 3ami, khali il nas ye7qu ili bedhom eyah, kol wa7ed la dinoh, bala preaching bala bateekh. It doesn't work that way." I hope that you meant Wedad by that as we have not preached to no one including you.
and Finally, let people preach what ever they want to, we don't mind because "albaqa2 lil 3aqeeda athabita al7aqa".
But when preaching transgress red lines of insulting faith of 1500 million people, it has to stop. We can stop it, as we have the truthfull arguments to do so.
Please, don't fall in the big sin of miss-qouting.
Have a nice day
You seem to have a very distorted view of what freedom of speech and expressn mean. If Arabs and Muslims were a Super Power, I will be the first to say BIG DEAL. But today the oppostie is true. We have been the subject of intense discrimination and centies of confrontations with Europe not to mention Orientialism which never seems to go away. Do you really want Arabs to listen to these insults in the streets of France or Germany and just look the other ways as people insult their religious symbols? Where will it end Hatem. I think your understanding of liberalism and its historical roots is a bit shallow.
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم [يريدون ان يطفؤا نور الله بأفواههم ولكن الله متم لنورة ولو كرة الكافرون]صدق الله العظيم
الدين الاسلامى لا يجبر اى أحد على الدخول فيه بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم (لاإكراه فى الدين قد تبين الرشد من الغى فمن يكفر بالطاغوت ويؤمن بالله فقد استمسك بالعروة الوثقى لاانفصام لها والله سميع عليم) لانجبر أحد على الدخول فى الدين الاسلامى كما وضحت الاية الكريمة بعكس غيرنا الذين يقومون ببعثات تبشيرية فى جميع انحاء العالم وذلك بالاغراء بالمال
(لكن خلاصة القول ( لكم دينكم ولى دينى
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم [يريدون ان يطفؤا نور الله بأفواههم ولكن الله متم لنورة ولو كرة الكافرون]صدق الله العظيم
الدين الاسلامى لا يجبر اى أحد على الدخول فيه بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم (لاإكراه فى الدين قد تبين الرشد من الغى فمن يكفر بالطاغوت ويؤمن بالله فقد استمسك بالعروة الوثقى لاانفصام لها والله سميع عليم) لانجبر أحد على الدخول فى الدين الاسلامى كما وضحت الاية الكريمة بعكس غيرنا الذين يقومون ببعثات تبشيرية فى جميع انحاء العالم وذلك بالاغراء بالمال
(لكن خلاصة القول ( لكم دينكم ولى دينى
Mmmmmmmmmm,
What about the kidnapped in Gaza Fox news correspondent Steve Centanni and camera man Olaf Wiig allegedly were forced at gun point to convert to Islam while they were held in captivity by Hamas Gunmen,this is according to a published NewYork Times reports.
MamaPapa, that is absolutely true, our enemy, every one's enemy is intolerance and bigotry.
Hatem#1, it's forbidden to depict Mohammad. Period.
ZamZoom, thanks, but I wouldn't consider it shallow really. Maybe just different
Eman, Thank you very much for that
Hatem#2: This is the position of Allah, and Quran. What certain people have committed is by no means a proof against Islam.
You stating the Obvious will not change anything. I do not want to talk about the people who were forced into Christianity by gunpoint in (and even into extinction) Like the Red Indians, Mayans and Aztecs. Does this mean that Jesus asked for this? No he didn't. But followers may and do violate the law
عالعموم يا قويدر أنا أعتبرها صدفه جميله ودعوه لقراءة قصة ربى قعوار في مقالي اللأخير،والتي لم أقصد فيه الاّ عرض القصة فقط، والله يهدي الجميع ، و يجعل الإحترام أوّل و آخر همنا ، فلندع الخلق للخالق، ولننادي بإحترام جميع الأديان كما تعودنا
Have you heard of the term non sequiter. do some search on it.
SAY WHAT?!?
Good God! I thought the Hitler-Youth Pope was bad when it comes to fabricating facts. This post from Roba is beyond fabrication.
We are not talking about intentions here, as Allah only know intentions of each of us. We are talking about words spoken. I made a mistake of attacking Wedad, personally after all of her
comments which you brought to us in your post, and I have asked Allah for forgiveness. So you don't have to rub it in, thats not a brotherly conduct. You can go to ROba and explain to her yourself what proper since you know her well. It seems the theme of these posts is to encourage bashing Islam and Muslims, and that I will not let go uncontested.
I will support you as long as you are within the bounderies of Islam. I have not seen so far any thing that will alram me, but rest assured I will correct you if you need to be. As I have accepted correction when I did transgress what I do consider proper behavior in a moment of anger that was induced by when you talked about Wedad.
I still value your brotherhood as I am a Muslim and you are too.
Assalaamu 3ala man itaba3a alhuda
As you know, to err is only human. We all do that, but at times, it might be better to stand by and help people who make mistakes. It might be a better approach
Rest assured that I wouldn't take offence from you. But at the same time, I can sit by and see anyone get attacked for a mishap. Especially when it is outside the focus of the issue at hand. That doesn't only apply to you, but to everyone. I hope you understand
Mohammad, Yes I know Ruba Qewar personally, I've known her for many years since she was in Jordan. You might be happy to know that she's an editor for an Islamic children's magazine in Texas now. And she's a wonderful and religious sister. I'm so proud of her
والحل الامثل لانهاء هذا النوع من المشاكل هو مقطاعة بلوغ وداد وما حدا يعطي تعليق على اي شيء بتنشره
لانه نحنا مش بمزاجها لما نعطي تعليق بعجبها بتنشره ولما نكتب شي مات بتحبه بتلغيه !! بكل صراحة بقلك حلي عنا يا وداد
this is what iam posting , please boycutt my blog please]
quwader, already said sorry already deleted the posts that u saw it against islam... and iam not posting or writing anything aagainst you or ur relegion.... what do u want more???!!!tell me and i will do it for you.... 3shan te3raf eno ana ma bedo mashakel..i want this thing to finishe more than you do...
you have my email. anything pleas send it to my email.. 3shan el2osa tez'3ar mo tekbar.
for others, no comment I love you all....
First off, we now need to redefine 'insult'. What you wrote WAS insulting, to any Christian. Talking about getting her fired from Jeeran was more than an insult. I know now that to say anything negative about Islam is an insult, but to say the same thing about Christianity is not.
Let me be clear: to call anyone one 'kafir' is an insult, whether it is what your relgion says we are or not. This word IS clearly heard from Friday preaching at any masjid in Amman.
Like Roba, I have also heard "Khanaziir"...I may not read Arabic, but I understand well. I have also heard it directed to me many times, in shops and on the streets. Hatem mentioned it on another post at Tololy's.
Also to redefine 'respect'.To talk of Muslims becoming Christians is not respectful, but to talk of Christians becoming Muslims is ok?. I've met Roba Kawwar's parents, and I know they made mistakes that hurt her. I also know many people like Wedad posted about, who had the exact same life change going in the other direction. But, if they had a web-site in Jordan, there lives would be in danger.
This is an incredible double standard, and the tirade of commenters in this line of thinking would be enough for any minority opinion to be silenced into never blogging again. And is why the other Christian bloggers are silent. I'm sure none of them does not want this kind of fire-storm on their blog. They all know it isn't worth it to provoke the responses here. It's a form of censorship.
So we are quiet, and don't often confront the contempt that we know lies under the thin veneer of 'respect' for us. Or the amazing disinformation and untruths about what we believe. But sometimes, like Wedad did, we get tired of the 'yes, massa" stance and provoke the tirade. I wrote an article for VIVA in July on this subject, and my editors made me re-write it 3 times to make it 'palatable' enough. Maybe I'll ask Khalidah to post it for me.
I'm still smiling, not saracastic, I just wanted you to hear my heart.
Ok, I'll answer Kinzi first,
Kinzi, Apparently, your translation was anything but accurate allow me to translate it for you.
Now, Kinzi, With this translation. Please illustrate to me where have I insulted Christianity or Christians. Or where have I practiced oppression against minorities.
The two articles one is inflammatory about some writing asking to drive the Copts out of Egypt (who he apparently say in parody) while the other talks about a false and terrorist (god)
Muslims and Christians in Jordan used to debate religous matters face to face, usually with tact and extreme care ... but not in blogs which are becoming a public outlet for 'hidden feelings' of some people on both sides.
Dangerous....
Nothing more
Now Answering the second part of Kinzi's comment.
Kinzi, there are bigots on both sides of the fence. The rule in Islam is CLEAR as the Sun. Muslims are to respect and assist "People of the book". That's the rule.
People tend to go to extremes not because it's mandated by religion, But rather because this is their own fault. These can not be taken as a proof against the religion itself. Which if anything promotes tolerance and understanding to the extreme.
My only objection was to the fact Wedad asked a question about a controversial article she posted and refused to accept comments. It was obvious the intention was not a debate but propaganda. She is entitled to say what she wants but other bloggers are entitled to disagree or agree, either directly on her blog or on theirs.
Other than that, I don't have any issue with her.
Most of you guys who are defending wedad or even tolerence haven't read her articals..and most importantly haven't read her comments on my blog which stirred this whole thing from the begining..
All i did was protest to the fact that she is using pieces of verses from the quran in a wrong way that would misinform about my holy book..and she is calling for muslims to leave their religion and be christians or else they will go to hell!!as clear as that..
Her comments on my post was very rude and she clearly said we are blinded and ruled by satan..
And she wouldn't stop..even days after the whole issue was over and she deleted the posts..i have over a hundred comments on the posts because she would come again and throw rocks at us..
So..it is not about disrespect or telling her what she would and wouldn't say!!
it's about demending minimum respect for ourselves..and speaking for my self...i will never shut up when it comes to my religion wether others like it or not..still..i've always been polite and decent when i adress my openions..
so please..want it over???
Then call it over..
The diffculty in debating religious issues is that we have a polarized environment thanks to the cartoons and the pope.
May be in a different time, this discussion would not have registered on any ones' radar.
be that as it may, it does not hurt for as to be more sensative to others and as for the very religious people on both sides, please rememebr that we have debated religion for 14 centuries (and longer if you count jewish christian debate) and not much can be added except to fuel resentment.
BUT I am all for exposing discrimination and intolerance. This is not debating religion, this is working towards a better society. And as a Muslim, and in the majority, I do feel a sense of responsiblity that no acts of bigotry are commmitted in my name.
Anyway, since Wedad's posts are not available, it seems comments were as much a problem as posts, and my laundry and dishes are piling up, up, I need to drop it as well.
I am sorry for entering in frustration whichly was partly fueled by recent posts on other blogs (and my own negative experiences), and for not believing the best about this situation. Seeing your 6/25 post mentioned by Basem helped me see a bit more of your pursuit of things I would like to see reformed also.
caller if u want me to publich again the post i will ... there is no insulting in it.. just a man expereince... and his testimony go and suie him... you need to accept this fact that there are a lot of people beleive in Jesus (muslem, jews, bothieen, even chrisitans) and they are a lot.. i deal with them day by day in my church..
again caller, why u want me to shut my mouhth while all of you are publishing websites and blogs against Jesus and christianity.. (not talking about you, just in general) u r 1000, and iam 1 from 1000>>> this is fair for me. as i said and promised you all iam not going to post anythign about islam.. coz really its not my point or my target at all. my target is salvation for the souls whether u r muslem, jews, bothieen, even christians....
God bless you
ah..and Q..did i mention that i'm celebrating karin's shahada on my blog..She became a muslim..may allah bless her:)
WOW!!
Wedad, point me to anyone who attacks Jesus Christ and I would be the first to fight back.
By the way, this article is not about those two articles, but about the two after that.
first about roba and you not being in jordan planet or toot whatever, then me for starbucks, then wedad.. i wonder who's next? abed?
stop taking things personal
Next, I never attacked you, I had a discussion with you, and it turned out ugly (and I'm still sorry for that, and I hope you will forgive me, because I will not forgive my self for that, it was not my intention, and I swear I didn't know)
As for Roba ... Can't resist the temptation :)
انا سألتك سؤال وطلبت منك شغلة بسيطة.. ورجيني مين عم يسب عالمسيح.. و انا اوّل واحد بيتصدي الو..
شو مالك صاحية منكّدة اليوم والا شو بالضبط؟
You keep at it. You don't know when to stop.
I am ready to debate you without take it personal. would you accept?
You can seek help in this debate from all your Christian community from all over the world. But we have to agree on following the truth
that will come out of it, as truth cannot be but one when it comes to Allah. If you cannot handle a debate in a very professional manner then drop. You have reached an age where you cannot keep acting like a child, and we will not allow you to do so here.
I assure you of that. we as Muslims dont start a fight.
But if we are forced into a fight we can assure you we will be fair.
And we will not use any tactics based on lies or deciet,
If you are willing I am ready. And me alone so there is no 1:1000
ratio thing.
Fair?