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Theory of Evolution and Religion

  • By: Qwaider

  • On:Saturday, September 09, 2006 4:03:23 AM
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    As promised, I'm sharing my view on the theory of evolution, and how I think that it doesn't really conflict with religion (elegant design)

    Let face the facts, There isn't a single scholar in the world that can disprove or doubt the theory of evolution. The evidence is quite overwhelming. What I can't explain is the religious rigid views of the creation and how everyone think that they're the only right explanation.

    Well, personally, I don't find anything wrong with the theory of evolution, I find that it has sound premise and overwhelming amount of evidence that if not only solidifies it, makes it even more appealing than some archaic religion views.

    My own personal understanding on how this doesn't conflict with religion is quite simple. I think that God didn't just create the universe with spacial perfection, but also with temporal one as well.

    For example, there isn't a single period in history that doesn't exist! We might have not known about it, or heard a single story from it. But layers of bedrock, Ice sheets from the polar caps and other mechanisms allow us to know that that era existed whether we knew about it or now.

    What this leads to is simple, Humans only appeared on the face of this planet when it was habitable, and ready for them to exist.

    Quite frankly, our whole existence on the face of this planet is quite trivial. The oldest known human remains identified dates back to between 400 and 600 thousand years. that's 1/2 a million years ago. Feels like eons .. doesn't it!

    But that pales in comparison to when the dinosaurs were extinct, 65 Million years ago (enough time for our whole existence to happen 130 times. If that wasn't enough, the age of the planet is 4 Billion years. Enough for humanity to have started from the very first cave man, to today's modern civilization a staggering 8000 times!

    But Humans didn't exist in those times, the planet wasn't hospitable enough for humans to exist. The molten surface, later on the scarcity of food, clean water, huge predators and giant animals would have doomed the existence of man.

    What All theories fail to explain is Why Intelligent? Why did humans evolve to acknowledge existence, and have the intelligence to adapt and change their environment. Or Adapt themselves to suit the environment. Without having to further evolve.

    This is where the religion bridges the gap. We exist, we are what we are because god created us. We were only created and started to exist on the face of this planet when the almighty saw it as suitable for us to exist.

    Some points can never be won with any proof, no matter what we do, there will be this little amount of doubt. Doubt that God exists, and doubt that there is no solid scientific proof that he does. Regardless of what you believe.

    The opposite of doubt is faith. You believe that God exist as if you were Certain, but you can never be certain. Because certainty doesn't come free of charge. Once you're certain there is no room for repenting. That's the rule. You can repent as long as there is doubt, but once doubt is out of the equation (ie, after death, when we know everything, and realise all realities away from the glamour of life) Repenting is removed from the options.

    There are many philosophical matters that we will never be able to find answers for, (unless we build some time machines) But these matters will always be there, and we might never be able to crack them. They lead to both sides, at the same time ... Faith and no faith, god and no god...

    Which one will you chose to follow, is totally up to you ..... But don't dismiss religion as an option until you really understand how religion is not related to the stupidity of the people who follow it.

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    • adel
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    • On: 9/9/2006 5:11:58 AM
    Maybe you meant Homo Sapiens with the 400 and 600 thousand years and forgot the remaining elegant continuum of 5 million years of human fossil record ?. From what you have said, I failed to find any convincing statement that religion is linked in a way to evolution.

    From my point of view, the anthropologists who digged hard to come up with this record worked very hard and they are in a powerful position. I think it’s our turn to investigate more to find this marriage between religion and evolution. When this happens i will be very satisfied.
    Last time I checked Homo Erectus was not considered Human!! God 50 year ago, Africans we're being considered human either, according shameful history, and western civilisation.

    Do you expect to see human remains much older than 500,000 years old? Who knows, it doesn't really matter

    The point is, no one can explain the spark of intelligence, and self consciousness
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    • sarah
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    • On: 9/9/2006 11:59:25 AM
    hi Sam,hope ur fine ,send me an email plz i wanna forward u something important ,i want you to explain it for me later please and sorry i lost ur mail :(
    be fine Sam
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    • Basem
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    • On: 9/9/2006 12:44:13 PM
    Qwaider, despite the broad opening statement above, many credible scientists do question and relentlessly scrutinise the evolution theory, a theory still; not a fact despite its solo existence (almost) in the scientific arena…

    I'm not in the position of entering a scientific-slash-religion skirmish here but I do agree with the other commentator that the view you presented above is not that solid in terms of bridging the gap! So were does Adam –pbuh- fit in all that! Some of the evolution-doesn’t-contradict-creation advocates suggested that Adam and his offspring (modern man, homosapien or whatever floats your boat) were introduced or embedded to earth at a later stage in parallel to the other "humans"! I find this to be absurd.

    At any measure, I'm at peace with the humble conviction I harbour: that the evolution theory doesn't quiet round the whole story up as well as it being patchy with far too many assume-that premises taken for granted because of the zealous almost theist-like "belief" its eventual truth.

    I believe God created the universe and its inhabitants as-is (with space to adapt as demonstrated in some of the mechanics of evolution), perpetually sustaining it, while giving space to some to be intelligent AND conscious about their being for a purpose that he only knows.

    I ask evolution advocates one question that troubles the most, given that evolution is the directives behind evolution are crudely "pragmatic", how come many animals and insects demonstrate incredible harmony, team effort and utter selflessness in order to survive with varying doubts of certainty over their consciousness of the acts they undertake (take the honeybee or ant colonies).
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    • Basem
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    • On: 9/9/2006 12:46:25 PM
    Links (fix your comment editor bro)

    Many scientists reference:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Intelligent_design_advocates

    scrutiny of the evolution theory:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin%27s_Black_Box
    Basem, we're both saying basically the same thing. Adam, the first Human, is the creation of God just as everything else. BUT earth wasn't hospitable or ready for his arrival. This is what I'm trying to stress.
    He only existed AFTER everything else was ready for him. In that sense you see the perfection in the creation, where it is spatially and temporally perfect
    but I really read it once, there are proofs of the failure of this theory of evolution, I wish I still remember where it is, and I watched a movie explaining this failure of this theory.

    I hate biology, I even forgot what I read lol
    Actually, Abed, there is overwhleming evidence to prove the theory more than disprove it.
    Yes there are certain limitations of it, but it does make (what appears to be) sound conclusions.
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    • Batir
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    • On: 9/9/2006 11:21:32 PM
    What an interesting debate. Well, the concept of "evolution" is not questionable amongs scientists. There are some gaps and details missing in the process. In the 20th century the struggle between various schools of human evolution was intense, and in one case a very renouned British Anthropologist actually "planted" a skull that was a combination of a man and a monkey to provide evidence that the origin of man was the Uk (white race) and not Africa as the evidence was accumulating.
    For me I think religion is another arena. It is safer and better not to mix. The Quran and other divine books were not meant to provide scientific records but rather "ethical messages" so I would prefer to leave the fossils tell the story.
    By the way, Australopithecus Boise was discovred to be the oldest hominoid species, about 1.4 million years ago.  
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    • Ola
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    • On: 9/10/2006 12:28:26 AM
    For all I know, the so-called theory if evolution had no solid scientific ground that it even failed to be classifie as a "theory", it's rather a hypothesis, and it was proved wrong but I don't know the details
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    • afaf
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    • On: 9/10/2006 1:24:37 AM
    i believe cuz it was never proven wrong, it was considered not-wrong so far, but if someone there could prove otherwise it will simply collapse...
    have u heard about the fight they had here a while ago to have this theory or at least pictures of it, to be removed from the text books in schools...they say they have a religious reason for that...
    allah says "wa 7'alkna el 2nsan fee a7san taqweem". now u say that u believe allah didnot create universe in special perfection.. allah doesnot say that the monkey is the origion of the human beings...sah?? i understand this is what the theory says...and this explains that human came along or developed from certain type of apes or monkeys..i recall this is whay my boilogy teacher used to say...dunno..anyhow, hope  am not mistaken reg the theory!! or it is my teacher's fault....
    peace...
    Interesting.

    "What All theories fail to explain is Why Intelligent? Why did humans evolve to acknowledge existence?"

    well, the explanation for 'why intelligent' is for survivl, humans are physically weaker, and less agile than any animal. Had it not been for our intellect we would be dead... or more to point, our survival required us to work on our intelligence.

    But why care about our own existence? why do we question the after-life, and look for meaning to our life? How does that fit it to our survival? i.e. do we need to b aware of our existence (and eventual demise) to survive?

    I think you may be onto something there....

    "Some points can never be won with any proof, no matter what we do, there will be this little amount of doubt. Doubt that God exists, and doubt that there is no solid scientific proof that he does. Regardless of what you believe.

    The opposite of doubt is faith. You believe that God exist as if you were Certain, but you can never be certain. Because certainty doesn't come free of charge. Once you're certain there is no room for repenting. That's the rule. You can repent as long as there is doubt, but once doubt is out of the equation (ie, after death, when we know everything, and realise all realities away from the glamour of life) Repenting is removed from the option"

    Never thought of it that way! But it makes sense.

    What you have managed to grasp here, is that even those who proclaim that God does not exist may very well doubt their own proclamations, as is vice versa. Not only may the believers sometimes waiver in their faith in the existence of God, but may they not also question the validity of their religion?
    You'll find that many do, and many more oscillate between belief and doubt, so many times that they decide what the want at the end. And continue life without provoking their ideas anymore with those questions anymore
    It's an honor Dr Laila for you to pay me a visit, I'm fascinated with your "infant" blog.
    I agree to a point.
    God created the Heaven and Earth in Gen.1:1
    God gave the earth to satan at that time.then we see the cataclysmic destruction of earth in Gen.1:2 What caused it?
    The fall of Satan and his followers on earth brought the early beings destrustion.God used a large impactor to destroy life and create the Ice age.This is the same time that God made Hell by fuzing the earths core and creating plate tectonics.
    Then After all the conditions was right for man god Made the earth to suite Man.
    He began the process of making the earth from something already in existance.Genesis 1:3 through Gen.1:31
    The only things he created at that time was Man and all living breathing beings such as animals and fish and so on.
    God Bless
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