Reason 2345432 why homosexuality is a choice

By: Qwaider

On:Friday, April 24, 2009 6:32:16 AM
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If certain people can fight with their demons for a life time and never have sex...

So can people who enjoy homosexuality

I'm a firm believer that seeking sex is a 100% voluntary action. Some, in fact many, people choose celibacy. Sometimes for their entire life.

It's Natural to seek out sex. It's natural to enjoy the thrills associated with it. People don't do it out of pressure or anything. Most people WANT to do it. While some choose not to seek it, or reach a turning point in their life where they decide they will not engage in it anymore.

Now, I'm not against homosexual people in any way. I'm against homosexual acts because I find them disgusting but I don't see people lining up outside my door to seek my approval. I RESPECT their choice. I DO NOT respect people blaming it on their genes or anything else.

I wish I had time to conduct a survey among REAL homosexuals who could talk more and explain how they don't have any choice.

This just occurred to me today while I was talking to my neighbor

Memories....

#1
Ahmed
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On: 4/24/2009 8:46:26 AM
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Most probable theory on why humans could become homosexuals is because of families without a father or a mother. A boy that's raised only by a mother will have nobody to take men traits from. Very often if the father has been absent from the family life for longer periods, the guy might simply become very girly which may result in his attraction to same-sex.

The homosexual activists usually say, that there is no method of fighting with it and there's no way to cure this disease, because no matter what, gays and lesbians will not change. But that's only what you hear in the main-stream medias, and in at least 9 out 10 cases - is an obvious lie!

Homosexualism CAN be cured!

Here's an old article from The Times, you don't see much of them lately as these days somebody stating such facts could be put into prison by the "defenders of freedom and tolerance"

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,840542-1,00.html

#2
Tala
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On: 4/24/2009 11:58:45 AM
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why is celibacy ok, while homosexuality is wrong from a third person POV?

#3
Rami
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On: 4/24/2009 1:59:32 PM
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@Tala: Homosexuality is wrong because it is unnatural. Everyone was born to a man and a woman, not from a man and a man nor from a woman and woman. This is the way it has been and should always be.

#4
Tala
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On: 4/24/2009 2:09:11 PM
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This means celibacy is wrong too. what is your say on this?

#5
Miss California Protest
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On: 4/24/2009 2:38:29 PM
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You have time to write this silly بل, but you don't have time to talk to "REAL homosexuals" about how being homosexual is not a choice. But you just know.. because it just occurred to you when you were talking to your neighbor.

There is a difference between being gay, and from gay sex. Having gay sex (or "homosexual acts," to use your words) is not what defines someone as gay. From a logical perspective, it is neither necessary nor sufficient.

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Qwaider
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On: 4/24/2009 5:40:40 PM
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I'm sick of the media and the idea that everything is always against our will. Depressed? Take this pill. Upset? Don't be upset, it's not your fault. Go ahead and take this pill. Can't sleep? It's not your fault, take this pill. Gay? That's not in your hands, You can't help it. It's forced onto you by the Evil DNA (Funny thing, this was never EVER proven. Despite the rabid attempts to falsify it. Over and over and over..)

Homosexuality is a choice. People are either Male or Female. The roles of Male or a Female are well known. Saying that people do it against their will is like saying. People commit murder against their will. Well, 99.9999% of the time that is not true.

Again, I RESPECT this choice. It's none of my business in ANY WAY. But I will never respect people who keep claiming that something -else- forced their hands...

Due to the fact that I'm in the US, I see more open gay people than anywhere in the world. (Well not as much as Garfan, he practically lives with them). But the point is, of all of the ones that I've seen (which is more than the total gay population of a country like Jordan). I haven't seen a single case that came from a good, decent, well formed, nuclear family.

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Tala
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On: 4/24/2009 9:05:01 PM
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am I invisible or something, why you didn't answer my question ?

#9
Qwaider
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On: 4/24/2009 9:17:41 PM
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I'm sorry, I didn't feel that you were actually looking for an answer for your question. My bad.
I don't see anything wrong with anything that we do by choice. This is what I'm getting at. Be it homosexuality, be it celibacy, be it addiction to tobacco or alcohol. As long as we respect our own existence and make it known that no one is forcing this onto us, and that it's our choice.

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Hareega
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On: 4/25/2009 3:25:47 AM
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I didn't find any explanation in your post that homosexuallity is a choice.

Your expalnation was whether or not people want to have sex, but not about the gender they want to have sex with. A large number of homosexuals are not sexually active, but when they were they want to have sex with people from the sex

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Qwaider
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On: 4/25/2009 4:06:09 AM
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Hareega, if a person can live without it. Then a person chooses to have it with a specific gender.
I don't mean to doubt you or anything, but I wonder where you got your claim that a large number are not sexually active. I would be interested to get a more quantifiable value

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Hareega
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On: 4/25/2009 10:16:43 AM
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I have an HIV clinic three times weekly, and talk to a lotttttt of gays , and a lot of them are not sexually active for different reasons

#13
Tala
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On: 4/25/2009 2:39:16 PM
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is hetrosexuality a choice? if so then why have you not ever thought of becoming a homosexual?

#14
Qwaider
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On: 4/25/2009 6:32:22 PM
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Hareega my friend, If they reach the HIV clinic. Aren't they supposed to stop being sexually active? But even then, there are many HIV+ people (regardless of their orientation) that are still sexually active.

Tala,
Heterosexuality is not a choice. It's the way we were designed. It's the way we procreate. It's part of our identity as a species. Without it, we wouldn't exist.
However, without Homosexuality, we would still exist, that's another reason why homosexuality is a choice.
What makes you think that hetrosexual people do not have homosexual thoughts? I'm sure many people have, and they immediately dismiss them as no way! As in, not a chance in hell!
There are many people that I know personally who engaged in homosexual acts then stopped. They were not cured or anything (I don't consider it a disease) but they have stopped and moved on with their lives because they understood the err of their older ways.

I said homosexuality is a choice because people choose to do it, over their original "template".

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Tala
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On: 4/25/2009 9:01:24 PM
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"What makes you think that heterosexual people do not have homosexual thoughts?"

well since these thoughts do occur, thoughts no matter how unfamiliar to the common do not come from nowhere, and I believe they are natural, why acting on homosexual thoughts is considered unnatural, why to us, heterosexuals, is not as equal " choice " as acting on an attraction towards an opposite sex. don't you think that we dismiss these thoughts because we learned to do so. I believe yes. what is wrong with allowing people and let them decide for their own what is best for them.

really, attraction is not limited to a man against a woman and you can find a ray of possible forms of a relationship between men, between women, and both sexes, the sex part is what we see as a problem because its what is seen while there is a whole dimension behind what two people see & find in each other.

you say procreation? saying that what is natural is the way we preserve our specie is not valid, because, we are not making a homosexuality exclusive and universal and banning heterosexuality, and by 2030 I think there wont be enough food to to feed humans,, I can go to a Hospital and pick a doner sperm and concieve a child without having intercourse if I wanted. I can adopt an orphan from the many people leave behind, some would be satisfied with raising pets.

so conceiving is no longer bound with heterosexual or homosexual intercourse as a mean to an end, i.e survival requirement.

#16
Qwaider
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On: 4/25/2009 9:25:15 PM
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You appear to be confusing me with someone who doesn't respect the homosexual choice. I totally respect it, and look at homosexuals as equals in everything. I don't demonize them.

Luckily, male homosexuals still can't procreate using sperm donors :).

With your same line of reasoning, having a sexual relationship with animals shouldn't be considered bad. (other than the part about consenting adults part)

We're not "conditioned" to act heterosexual. We are all heterosexuals by design. Some choose to venture into other activities.

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Tala
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On: 4/25/2009 9:28:24 PM
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I wrote a long reply and I dont who what happened, here is it again.

"What makes you think that hetrosexual people do not have homosexual thoughts?"

since these thoughts do occur, and no matter how unfamiliar it is from the commonly accepted practices, it doesn't come from nowhere. so why is acting upon homosexual thoughts is considered unnatural, and not as equal as a choice for acting on heterosexual thoughts? don't you think that we dismiss these thoughts because we learned that its wrong and we learned to ignore them. I believe yes. attraction is not necessarily based for a man against a woman. and sex is not the only thing that defines it.

you said procreation, well, I dont think its a valid argument, I can go to a hospital, pick a doner sperm and conceive a child without intercourse, I can adopt a child from the many orphans left behind, I might find that raising a pet is enough for me. acting homo or not acting at all is the same output, so you really need to think agian and answer this simple question, why do you object the act?
same sex people can have a commitment as serious as heterosexuals who sign marriage contracts. so no its not outside the original template, my opinion.

end point, heterosexual, homosexual intercourse is no longer the mean to get to the end, it is no longer a survival requirement. in 2030 we might be short of food to feed humans.

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Tala
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On: 4/25/2009 11:44:34 PM
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its like, when we tell a person, hey, you can , " not " do it, can you skip sex for the rest of your life?!!! can you impose such a thing on others?! so what you suggest is illogical.

its like you are guilt tripping others for their choices. when a gay comes up to you and tells you " THIS IS HOW I AM, I EXPERIENCE ATTRACTION TO THE SAME SEX, I FEEL NOTHING FOR THE OPPOSITE SEX " and you tell him

" SORRY DUDE, YOU ARE NOT NATURAL BUT ITS YOUR CHOICE "

and then you go and say , I respect you. do whatever you want, you cant adopt because you start affecting others lives.

WHAT IS THIS EXACTLY?

#19
Qwaider
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On: 4/26/2009 6:22:16 AM
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It's called being realistic and clear without applying emotions to the matter. It's also called being respectful and mindful of the diversity of human choices.
If people can be celibate, they can cast away some of the unnatural aimless attraction they have towards same sex. It is pointless, other than pure lust for sex the weird in sex.

Now, I would like to ask you a question. Are you gay? Can you speak for the psychology of gays? Can you explain to me what goes to your mind regarding this matter? I'm NOT turning this personal, I DO want to hear from someone who's truly gay talking about these things.

I'm not trying to make anyone feeling guilty about their choices. They can have it as they like. Even get married for all I are, but raise children. NO WAY, they're not qualified or capable of raising kids and I stand by that. Don't give me the usual crap about having a loving home is better than a bad family. That's not the rule, it's the exception

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Tala
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On: 4/27/2009 4:36:02 AM
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Now, I would like to ask you a question. Are you gay?
no I am not, I am gay tolerant

Can you speak for the psychology of gays?
no, but at least I can project my understanding.

Can you explain to me what goes to your mind regarding this matter?
I already did, here, & here

who practices homosexuality is not necessarily gay, your friend was not gay, I once made a comment here, that could give you an insight

I DO want to hear from someone who's truly gay talking about these things

I am not but Qwaider, over Qwaider Planet, many topics were published regarding this, you are not listening.. (O_O)
what do you want to know?

as for adoption, you cant make a universal law about it. it will never work, you will end up setting kids in the wrong places, you have to study each case individually, almost everybody can concieve children in a way or another, but not everybody can make a good parent, so discriminating against good gay people is wrong, you need to look beyond what people look like.

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Qwaider
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On: 4/27/2009 6:25:58 AM
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"look beyond what people look like"?
Last time I checked gays looked exactly like the rest of us :)
Look, the way people look don't concern me. The way they deal and project essential pieces of life is.
One of these is the role of a father, and the role of the mother. These need to be taken seriously. But I would go out on a limb here and say a 20% great heterosexual couple is way better than a 100% perfect homosexual couples for the mere reason that they project the wrong image of the father role. That, speaking strictly Freudian, is a disaster when neglected.
I read a lot, and I'm more tolerant than you can imagine. I have yet to see anything convincing enough. You talk about universal laws that don't exist. Many gays don't even believe in them.
Ever heard of gay pride parade? They hold that to show how they are proud to be gay. They are proud of their choice. Not proud of how they are forced into it

Luckily that gay gene is still not there and chances are it will never be discovered. Just like the addiction gene, just like the evil gene, just like the criminal gene. These are sociological + psychological issues not genetic. That's the whole reason why this is a choice.

#22
Marvin
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On: 4/29/2009 5:02:41 AM
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I think it will be very amusing when gene therapy turns up a cure for homosexuality, and then homosexuals will generally refuse the cure. THEN all of a sudden, homosexuality will be a choice, and how DARE people try to intimidate them into curing themselves!

I will laugh and laugh.