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محدثي النعمة

  • By: Qwaider

  • On:Friday, March 13, 2009 6:23:34 PM
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    يعني على اي اساس يتم ضمي الى اسامة الرمح؟ و انا لا ناقة لي و لا بعير في كل الموضوع! كما انّني لست من المشاركين او حتى انصار ما يسمى بحملة ضد الشواذ. و لا اروّج ابدا لأي نوع من العنف او التمييز ضد المثليين او غيرهم. بل على العكس طالبت و اطالب بالحريات و العدالة الإجتماعية لكافي الفئات المقموعة و الأقليات العرقية في كل محل. و حقوق غير المواطنين و حقوق المرأة و حرية الأشخاص في التعبير بكل اشكاله

    لكن هذه الأخيرة، حريّة التعبير، صعبة المنال، فهي كسؤال البليون في برنامج ليلي، محتاج ل400 عقل من وزن اينشتاين حتى يفك رموز هذه العملية الشائكة

    منذ عدة ايّام، طرحت تسائل حول اجراء عملية ديمقراطية لحذف المدوّنات، و خصوصا المسيئة للديانات، و التي تدعوا للعنف (ضد الطنطات مثلا، او ضد المرأة)و العنصرية بكل اشكالها و التي تروّج للأعمال اللا اخلاقية، و القرصنة، و ترويج الإشاعات، و ذوات المستوى المتردي. و كنت اتمنى لو وصلنا لحل مجدى كأن نقوم بالتصويت على الأمر بطريقة ديمقراطية. تساعد الجميع و تحل الأزمة بشكل "حضاري" فمن الواضح ان العديدن باتو مقتنعين ان حق الإضافة الى المجتمعات التدوينية هو حق منصوص عليه في الدستور و ميثاق الأمم المتحدة و اتفاقية جنيف لحقوق الإنسان

    لكن -و الحمد لله- الكل اجمع على ان عليّ ان اقوم بهذا الإختيار -وحدي-  حتى لا يُظلم احد بسبب غوغائية و احتمالية "تكالب" جماعة ضد شخص. يعني تم توكيلي ديكتاتور و انا من يطالب بالديمقراطية

    انت اكثر الناس علما انّي حريص على حرية التعبير، حتى عندما تكون [حرية التعبير] خصمي و افعل قصارى جهدي لإيصال الكلمة -كما هي- للقاريء. لكن عندما تقوم يوتيوب بحذف محتوى مسيء و مهين للإسلام و يظهر على مدوّنة اصر صاحبها ان يقوم بإعادة نشر هذا المحتوى هل تتوقع منّي ان امارس سقف حرية اعلى من جوجل؟ كما تناسى البعض ان ذات المدوّنة كانت تروج للعنصرية ضد السود، و ضد الضيوف العراقيين في الأردن و معاملتهم معاملة دونية. و العديد من الأمور الشائكة الأخرى التى افضت في نهاية المطاف الى حذف المدونة. و للعلم، لن اتردد لحظة واحدة عن حذف اي مدوّنة مسيئة.

    من الواضح ان "حرية التعبير" اصبحت الشمّاعة التي نعلّق عليها كل شيء حتى غبائنا و سوء تصرّفنا. فنحن كمن يقال عنهم: محدثي نعمة! و محدثي النعمة في العادة هم من "يَفْجُرْ"  عندما يحصل عليها. و هذه حالتنا مع حرية التعبير

    من لا يعي ان حرية التعبير لا تشمل اهانة الآخرين في اشخاصهم، و دياناتهم، و مجتمعاتهم، و عقائدهم من لا يعي كل هذا لا يحق له ان يطالب لا بحرية تعبيير و لا خلافه فهو من الواضح انّه "محدث نعمة"

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    حلوه هاي "الدكتاتور":)

    جهودك بهيك حاله فعلا مشكوره؛ بس بتوقع المشكله انو على أساس بدك تقيم؟ يعني حتى القيم سواء دينيه أو غيرها الها مستويات: حتلاقي اللي يطالبك انك تشيل مدونات الملحدين مثلا؛ هلأ الالحاد لا يعتبر تطاول عند ناس ويعتبر عند ناس ثانيين؛ صح ولا لأ؟
    • #2
    • Qwaider
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    • On: 3/13/2009 8:14:13 PM
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    كلامك صحيح 100%. الفكرة ان الإلحاد بحد ذاته ما عندي مشكلة معه، كل واحد حر بحالة. لكن المشكلة في التطاول و الإساءة سواء للأشخاص، او القيم الإعتبارية مثل الأديان. يعني الإنسان لازم يكون عنده شوية حساسية و لباقة في التعامل مع مثل هذه القضايا. و مش من حريّة التعبير مثلا ان شخص ينادي بمعاداة السامية مثلا. و اي شخص بإمكانه الرجوع للقوانين في كل الدول المتقدمة و سيجد ما "يحد" من حريّة التعبير خصوصا في مثل هذه المواضيع
    ما علينا، انا حاولت ولا زلت احاول انّ اجد اي طريقة ديمقراطية ترضي اكبر عدد من الأطراف لأنني لست دكتاتور، بل بالعكس. لكن زي ما قلت الجمهور عايز كده
    Qwaider, I think that I was clear when I mentioned you in my post why I mentioned you. It is clear that you have nothing to do with Osama and nothing to do with the mentioned campaign. I didn't imply that in anyway. What I critisized you for (and I was really respectful about it - didnt call you names or offended you as a person) is the idea you presented to people of voting out others who they don't like their blogs. You said it yourself, democracy is the rule of the majority, those were your words. I pointed out that democracy cannot live without the respect of the rights of the minorities especially the right of freedom of speech. Sure as you said some websites like youtube have a certain policy that is applied to everyone. It doesn't fit a group of people. They are general guidlines that are clear to everyone. They dont vote out those who they dont agree with but they cancel for instance very brutal videos.

    I know that we don't get along togather, and I know that we had our shares of fight, but I really didn't mean to offend you here. I just critisized what you presented - again in a very respectful way -.
    • #4
    • Sam
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    • On: 3/13/2009 8:38:25 PM
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    Man.. Really STOP TAKING THE OBSERVER SERIOUSLY. I've been following this guy since a while, and trust me, there is something wrong with him.

    يعني بالعربي بتلاقي في بوست نصب نفسه مدافعا عن الحريات المطلقه وحقوق الانسان وحقوق الشواذ والنص نص

    وفي بوست تانيه بتغنى بحب النظام الدكتاتوري الحاكم في الاردن
    !!!
    وازا حد اختلف معه في الراي بتلاقيه بهاجم بعنف عجيب وما عندو اي احترام للراي الاخر

    والمشكله انه كل نضرياته وادعائاته عباره عن كلام مطلق في الهوا ليس له اساس علمي


    This guy is the king of double standards, really .. so just forget about him.
    • #5
    • Qwaider
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    • On: 3/13/2009 8:49:55 PM
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    فادي،
    على العموم حصل خير اعتقد ان ردي ليس عليك بالذات لكن حول قضية حرية التعبير بشكل عام، و انا من اشد مناصريها في الحق
    سنتناول قضية الديمقراطية مرة اخرى مع المدوّنات. حيث من الواضح انه من الواجب تحديد الديمقراطية و حتى لا تؤدي الى سحق الفئات الأضعف او الأقل عددا

    Sam,
    فاهم عليك، لكن مشكلتنا كمجتمع اردني انّنا نعاني من الإزدواجية الشيزوفرينية في كل شيء. يعني نرحّب بالديمقراطية بطريقة غريبة و ننسى ان نظامنا ليس ديمقراطي في الأساس. ثم نُرجع الفضل في الديمقراطية للنظام!!! اي شيء بيمخول العقل

    بالنسبة لحرية التعبير، فالشعب العربي حديث العهد بها.. يالله يالله بنفك الخط في معاني الحرية
    يعني ما هي  ديمقراطية "تامر حسني" برضو:)
    بتاعت الجمهور عايز كده:)

    بتمنى الك التوفيق في جهودك:)
    • #7
    • whisper
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    • On: 3/13/2009 11:57:14 PM
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    Its very simple issue ....

    You established Qwaider planet as you said there "Qwaider planet, is all for diversity, tolerance, peaceful coexistence, respect for others, and is against all forms of violence, hatred, racism, sexism and torture"

    And you put a simple policy for participating in that planet with many rules.

    "You feed must not break the functionality of Qwaider Planet, intentionally or unintentionally. Your feed will be suspended immediately and without prior notice "

    "Play nice, your posts should not contain any hate speech or personal attacks on others. Attacking ideas is always allowed"

    "No offensive words, pictures, material, inappropriate for family consumption"

    sooo as u all can see you have the privilege  of suspended immediately and without prior notice.

    Take action and all of us with you in that :D
    Qwaider, I am glad to hear that.

    Actually just to comment on the subject of democracy here. I believe, and that is my personal opinion, is that our social structure and cultural heritage is what prevent us from achieving better social freedoms. We need to work a lot more on social level than higher levels in order raise freedom of expressions and tolerance in this country.
    • #9
    • Moey
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    • On: 3/14/2009 6:04:48 AM
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    HAHAHA!
    • #10
    • Moey
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    • On: 3/14/2009 6:31:28 AM
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    You know what's more funny mentioning that?

    I won't go more personal, bas allah y5alli el falasteneyyeh ele akalo men 5eir el Kuwait w t2asaso feeha w lamma 6el3o menha, shallo 3ard ahleha.

    Same goes to some palestinians who hold Jordanian passports. the new day they leave the country, let's say to the states, either trash Jordan calling it whatever you can think of insults, while the Jordanian passport guaranteed their freedom to go somewhere else, or they'd end up like palestinians in Lebanon and Egypt of Watha2eq.

    3eib, wallah 3eib.

    And of course, I don't mean all palestinians, your fingers aren't the same. Neither Jordanians are perfect.

    Any person can change and stop discrimination.

    Your post is obviously directed to me and my blog, you trying to trash me by mentioning remarks of old posts as hating people upon skin color and Iraqis in Jordan, which are history, is lame.

    I'm even dating an iraqi, so It can't get any worse, or can it? But you trying to bring that up as a reason is lame.

    you can simply say that you have a personal issue regarding banning me instead of posting a post. When I posted about starbucks and you went personal, making fun of my disability and then emailing me saying: well, I gave you publicity.

    I said "I'm sorry muslims" in a tag before the video code on my blog, you can check the page caches at google's search page (in case I get called a liar).

    Let's say I'm a satanic and someone posted something regarding satanism, I'd expect a post gone, not a whole blog gone.

    Anything can be offensive.

    You want racism? If you look at it from another perspective, you're not a Jordanian to be responsible of Jordan blogs, you're Qwaider right? There are syrian, palestinian and even lebanese Qwaiders. You hold a Jordanian passport, yet you mark it saying "originally palestinian"? right?

    However, I'm just clearing a point out here. I'm fine off any aggregator, I lost faith after Jordan Planet RIP. Waynak ya Issam!

    What makes itoot, which is an aggregator I bashed before, they're assholes, they took the post off the feed, but I'm still there and I have posts showing up there.

    Because, people run that site, not an individual who'd act based upon his personal matters.

    cheers! I won't be checking on here, I promise no more interruption of your liberal blog :)

    • #11
    • Moey the cow
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    • On: 3/14/2009 10:34:37 AM
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    Shitface moey the *** (Moey is the sound the cow makes right?)
    Do you mean to say you're not only racist against Iraqis, and blacks but also Palestians?
    Shame on you Qwaider for having a racist piece of shit pig like that on qwaider planet to begin with

    • #12
    • Rana Yasin
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    • On: 3/14/2009 11:32:01 AM
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    Moey is a big fat ugly liar. When you attacked Qwaider Personally, he didn't ban you. What does that make you? Nothing more than a common stupid fugly mofo who needs to grow up. Remember the Blouzat incident? That ukh ugly arrogant junk that is being sold as "Art"?
    Well, here's what you had to say ... about qwaider, and he didn't ban you
    So WHO has a personal grudge asshole? Don't worry, Google Has it archived incase you were a cow-ard (as always) and decided to remove it

    Freedom of speech is guarnteed for every person but in certain situations it needs to have some limit, mostly attacking religion, i don't know what the hell is going with some jordanian blogs lately they all seem to look for any ideas that is against islam in some how to show them selves as people of freedom for thier american or very liberal friends. and the other thing the rise for support for homosexuals and having al there rights ok now here is the thing the last time i heard the religion of the country is islam and even if it was chrsitian or other homosexuality isstill forbidden so why the support this is not democracy this is support for losing our morals
    • #14
    • Qwaider
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    • On: 3/14/2009 6:30:01 PM
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    Moey
    Thank you very much for making me feel much better about my decision

    Moey the ***
    Sorry I had to edit your name, I can't have insults like that.
    However, I'm leaving the rest so that people don't accuse me of violating freedom of speech

    Rana Yasin
    Thank you for reminding me. Yes, you're absolutely right, there's nothing personal. I NEVER had anything personal against Moey or anyone else. But I guess in his mind, this is how it goes down

    Ahmad
    I understand your frustration. Many self called Atheists don't know the basic of what they're saying. And I'm fine with them believing whatever they want. And for anyone who wants to be Homosexual, they knock themselves up, I don't really mind someone being homosexual or anything
    What I DO mind is someone INSULTING religion. Now THAT is a red line! TOTALLY
    I have rejected female blogs because they talk about their Active sexuality, I have rejected Male blogs because they're also writing about their sexuality. Why would I allow a Gay blog that talks about Sexuality? If it was a gay blog, that talks in general about everything we all talk about. Then I have no issues with them.
    I never have
    I never will
    And I don't look at gays as any less humans! I find their acts disgusting, but that's a personal preference
    thank you, you know it really annoying the rising of insultings against rligion no matter what the religion is , but the thing is the religion they attack the most is islam, like look at that called Moey he put a really insulting video agaisnt islam and he considered it as a freedom if even though people who all the time call for freedom like him should know that u r freedom ends when another one starts, they all just proud of being like that famous emaratian atheists who is called bin kreishan you should look at what he writes he is truly a total bastard
    • #16
    • Qwaider
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    • On: 3/14/2009 7:22:15 PM
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    You know, Moey denied me of the same freedom of NOT promoting a blog that was insulting religion. It's my freedom isn't it?

    And you're right, freedom of speech, doesn't mean, insulting other people. And if anyone has a problem with that, have them go and attempt to play antisemitic for a day.
    Yet, he had the audacity to call me "undeserving" because, in his view, I'm not Jordanian.
    • #17
    • Moey
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    • On: 3/14/2009 10:26:26 PM
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    Just a correction, I didn't say itoot are assholes, I said are not assholes. must be a typo, thanks yasmeen for reading the post and directing that to me.
    • #18
    • sozan
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    • On: 3/14/2009 11:09:20 PM
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    انا باعتبر الحكي اللي كتب عليك عند الابسوفر كانت مجرد تساؤلات اما بالنسبه للتقييم احنا منعاني من عدم فهم للديمقراطيه وممكن يساء استعمالها ومتل ما حكيت قبل اترك الموضوع مثل ما هو لانه الاختلاف في الاراء والمواضيع هو اللي يثري النقاش ومتل ما عودتنا قويدر على ما بتقدم وتعرض في البلوج تبعك وتأكيدك على الحريه الشخصيه وحرية التعبير وشكرا كتير الك  
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    • On: 3/15/2009 1:49:14 AM
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    I think this is the best thing Moey has written online in a wee long time, hahaha!
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