The biggest losers

By: Qwaider

On:Monday, January 19, 2009 9:07:11 PM
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After the genocidal regime of the illegal occupation Israeli entity have finished their ethnic cleansing campaign against the unarmed people of Gaza. I think it's time for us to look around and collect who are the biggest losers other than the people who played the ultimate price for "EXISTING" and practicing democracy. The helpless, but defiant people of Gaza. May they rest in peace and may the souls of the dead and injured continue to haunt the murdering bastards of the Illegal Zionist Entity.

Loser #1: Hosni Mubarak

Hosni Mubarak's dictatorship has emerged as one of the biggest losers after being slapped by at least three scandals. First when he was implicated with the start of the Zionist mad campaign against women and children. Second when he was accused of providing cover and time for the Zionist war machine to mow down more innocent lives. And finally, when the murderers in Tel Aviv (A suburb of Arab Jaffa) declared their so called "Unilateral cease fire" without first consulting or even informing their "Allies" [Other than those mentioned in the Murderer Olmert speech, which were either European or American]

But all of that is nothing compared to the world wide view of the person. He's being viewed with the same level of disrespect that George W Bush has earned. Even children are more respected than the Egyptian dictator aka the "Laughing Cow"

Loser #2 Abu Mazen,

Mahmoud Abbas, has been clearly been exposed as a collaborator to the Zionist entity in their mad campaign against the innocent women and children of Gaza. Mahmoud lost all credibility. Internationally, most countries view Abbas as collaborator and many are calling for him to step down, even in the Fatah movement which appear to be experiencing a multi-dimensional-fission reaction.

Loser #4: The Moderate Arab stream

Moderate Arabs (including King Abdullah II) have been marginalized so significantly that it will take a miracle to revive any of their positions or views regarding any matter that even remotely relates to the illegal occupation of the Zionist entity to Palestine.

Loser #5: The Peace Process

The peace process is dead. Anyone mad enough to even remotely suggest anything that goes along the lines of Peace process would probably be publically lynched. It's very sad actually, as I myself happen to be a huge believer and supporter of peace and coexistence. Yet, the Zionist actions have served to weaken my position to the point that I feel shame and guilt just to think of it.

Loser #6: The Arab league

The fragments of what was once (or never was) the Arabic nationalistic dream, beyond borders, beyond religion, beyond locals have hit a brick wall of egotistic unelected barely-educated dictators of the Arab world with their own goals. Very similar to the condition of the city-states that caused the fall Andalusia. But we just never learn. History will continue to speak of this shameful state of chaos and the failure of the Arab league to produce anything tangible to help any of its members.

Loser #7: The Zionist Occupation of Palestine

Yes, they might have succeeded in leveling neighborhoods with all their occupants to the ground. They might have annihilated complete families. They might have obliterated livelihoods and infrastructure. But for the first time in History, they have lost the "Victim" status. They have lost the sympathy of most of the world. They have gained the rage and Anger of billions of humans.

The Zionist don't realize this yet, but billions are ticking time-bombs waiting to explode. In a suicidal manner but rather in more peaceful forms of protest. Boycotts are already going. Obama is taking the issue of "Aid to the Zionists" seriously. More people are hearing about this, and more people are able to see the true face of the Zionist racist practices.

Loser #8

The "so called" free western Media. After siding blindly with the Zionists for decades. Viewers are challenging their story. Ordinary people are stepping up and calling their bluff! This is very unusual especially if you've been following up on the media in the west. Not only that, but during open press forums journalists have come forward and challenged the Zionist terrorist story openly and aggressively. Many had to be removed by force. Again, this is unheard of in Zionist- Christian strong-holds like in Washington

Losers #9,10 and 11

The murderer Olmert, the Evil witch Livni and the genocidal maniac Barak. You have lost everything. The up-coming elections, the moral status, and even your own humanity. Even your own people aren't convinced of your story. They view the destruction but don't feel anything has been done. Let alone the waste of billions in a futile uncalculated "adventure" that will be the end of all of you.

Memories....

#1
serez
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On: 1/19/2009 9:33:57 PM
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It is important to understand that Hamas, and the Gazans who support them by being Hamas' human shields, brought this upon themselves. It has been very clear that if they stop attacking us, we would not defend ourselves. In 2000 and in 2005 Israel pulled out of occupied areas, to allow the people there to have a chance at a normal life. Instead they chose to attack Israeli communities. In Gaza, that caused Israel to close the borders. For many months Israel has tried non-brutal ways to get Hamas to change their minds. Unfortunately, beginning a healthy nation is not in their best interest. They want to go to the martyr's heaven. They want to kill the Israelis and have all of the land. Palestinians did not accept an incredible offer that Israel made in 2000. It didn't offer a return to 1967 borders, but it offered the opportunity for a good life.

The major difference in world opinion from 30 years ago and today is that the world no longer understands that no matter what they say to the news media, the people who have been attacking us for more than 70 years still behave and say that they want to kill us all. Israel and its settlements are controlling the borders of Palestine because too many Palestinians only want to kill us. If you say that wouldn't do the same, you are lying to yourself.

When they sincerely begin to accept our existence, in word and the attitude of accepting a good neighbor, we will accept them as a good neighbor. If we have to defend ourselves, we will continue to.

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Qwaider
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On: 1/19/2009 9:48:06 PM
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You have stated so many half facts here
First, Hamas is resisting the Israeli aggression which has been causing this inhuman conditions for the people of Gaza
These people are "not attacking you" you have attacked them and "stole" their land to begin with. So before you start selling clichés, try to give people what is rightfully theirs
Occupation is illegal
Israel is RACIST nation
Israel has is genocidal
and Israelis are Zionist murderess who have been targeting women and children for almost 90 years

Let alone that the "offer" of 2000 was exactly what A "Prison" looks like. And what about the "refugees"? Anything about the 6 million of them? Can they go back home?

Israelis who support this genocide are murderers as well, and deserve nothing more than a trial in world criminal courts for their crimes against HUMANITY

Palestinians are HUMAN and not any less than any Israeli. The Israeli blood is not more worthy than anyone else.
But hey, rest assured. The world is no longer buying your bullshit propaganda. No one is challenging your "Right to exist". But are the Israelis cherishing the right of Palestinians to exsit? Apparently not!

#3
Nizar
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On: 1/19/2009 9:54:46 PM
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Here is the list according to how I see it:

1. The innocent citizens of Gaza.
2. Hamas.
3. The Israeli people.

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hamede
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On: 1/19/2009 11:47:07 PM
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serez.

You can,t give some thing you don't own in the first time.

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whisoer
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On: 1/20/2009 3:22:14 AM
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serez
Imagen that u and ur family live in a house,one morning u wakeup to find man setting in ur living room,time by time he takes another room from the house until u find ur self lucked in ur bedroom and u r not allowed to talk not allowed to defined ur self,ur house and ur life...do u really take that man as a neighbor

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za3tar
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On: 1/20/2009 9:35:10 AM
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I am not in Fatah or any other Palestinian party. I am a free thinking Palestinian.
And as you said in a previous post, I hate this blame game and just doling out the "he is a collaborator, and he is a traitor" (سياسة التخوين).

You came out swinging against Abbas calling him a collaborator with Israel in killing the innocent children and civilians. Why ? I am interested to know. Realistically speaking, what could he have done other than talking with world leaders and trying to put an end to this slaughter ? Seriously speaking, how is he different than the "moderate Arabs" you list after him.

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أنن
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On: 1/20/2009 10:41:27 AM
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@serez: I understand where you're coming from, and what you're saying would make complete sense, if Hamas really WAS initiating 'attacks' on Israeli communities (which forcefully took over their land in the first place). On the other hand, please try to verify your claim in light of the following facts:
http://boomcrunchcrash.wordpress.com/2009/01/08/roadaccidentsvshamas/

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anon
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On: 1/20/2009 10:48:16 AM
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@serez: "If you say you wouldn't do the same, you are lying to yourself."

And what would you do if I came along and planted myself on your land and self-claimed myself an independent nation and assigned myself the right to violently push you out of your own home, giving no thought to YOUR innocent, civilian family?

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Qwaider
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On: 1/20/2009 5:36:16 PM
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Za3tar,
Simple. A leader would be doing everything, including the participation in any and all activities in support of his people.
Just a simple example is, not participating in Qatar Summit. That was enough. But there are many other things, like siding with Israel against Hamas (and I wouldn't be surprised that he had actually solicited their help to get rid of them after he lost in the elections)

By the way, what I state isn't my personal opinion alone, it the view of most Arabs as well. I'm not calling him a traitor, he just collaborated against other Palestinians. Enough to drop him out of my favorite list

Back to the main subject. It's clear that he is one of the losers in this whole matter. Don't we agree on that?

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hamede
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On: 1/20/2009 6:56:07 PM
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اتهمت حركة “حماس”, امس, الرئيس الفلسطيني محمود عباس بالتورط في اغتيال إسرائيل القيادي البارز في الحركة سعيد صيام والمشاركة في الحرب الإسرائيلية على غزة وإطباق الحصار على القطاع .

وقال القيادي في “حماس” رئيس وفدها إلى القاهرة صلاح البردويل “إن عباس شارك في المعركة الأخيرة بعناصره الموجودة في غزة الذين كانوا يدلون على بيوت “حماس”, وهو متهم بأنه مشارك في المعركة على الفلسطينيين عن طريق عملائه “.

وأضاف البردويل, في تصريحات نقلها موقع “المركز الفلسطيني للإعلام” الإلكتروني, “ان عباس متورط بلا أدنى شك في اغتيال صيام, وضبطنا مع العملاء قبل المعركة رسومات لبيوت “حماس” ومواقع الأنفاق لدى الحركة ومكان تخزين السلاح, واعترفوا لنا أن تلك المعلومات طلبت منهم من سلطة رام الله “.

وتابع مهاجما عباس “أبومازن ليس طرفاً محايداً ولكنه طرف مشارك في الحرب على غزة

#12
za3tar
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On: 1/20/2009 9:36:52 PM
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Qwaider,

I don't know. It seemed to me that he talked to many world leaders who can actually put pressure on Israel to stop its aggression. It is well known that Ababs differs with Hamas on ideology, but we can not say that he sided with Israel against the Palestinians in Gaza. He actually went on TV to plea with Israel to stop its aggression. He does not have to support Hamas to support the Palestinian people.

To me, and i think to most people, there is little difference between a traitor and a collaborator against the people. So i do not see the great distinction you drew there.

So besides not going to the Qatar summit, what else is making you call him a collaborator ? Also, insinuating that he actually asked Israel to attack and kill Palestinians in Gaza.

Again, i am not a Fatah person, and i do not subscribe to any Palestinian party. I also agree that the moderates in the Arab world (including Abbas) have been severely damaged by the Israeli assault (as i posted previously on my blog).

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Qwaider
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On: 1/20/2009 10:12:35 PM
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Za3tar, I completely respect your point of view on this, we all have our own. There's nothing wrong with that. However, I do see some evil hands at work here, and I do see the corruption taking place. Palestinians on the ground have been suffering from it. Not only that, they have been speaking about it for quite some time

It's no coincidence that Israel only took action after Abbas failed in suppressing democracy that was practiced in Gaza by the people. After he was kicked out and after he called the resistance in many unfavorable terms including pointing the blame at them -often more- than Israel. It should make you and me (as moderates) wonder what is his real agenda.

There is mounting evidence that there has been some collaboration, and that Abbas have taken part of it. Maybe he didn't view collaborating against Hamas as treason to the Palestinian people. But the end result is the same.

Again, please understand that I completely respect your point of view, and to certain levels agree with it. But I happen to view this whole thing from a different perspective that has Abbas in the shame light for his suspicious actions. Having Condoleezza Rice and Livni continuously mention him should be enough suspicion actually. But as I said, it's only suspicion, but it was enough to drop him from the favorable view of the vast majority of Palestinians, Arabs and consequently, the rest of the world