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Eid Mubarak, for the rest of the world!

  • By: Qwaider

  • On:Monday, September 29, 2008 9:41:11 PM
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    I've talked about this a MILLION times already. Ok, here's my pre Eid rant once again...

    While almost half the Arab world celebrates Eid on Tuesday, the rest is going to have it on Wednesday! AGAIN!

    (Of course this is beyond ridiculous)

    It's EID in Qatar, Saudi, UAE, Jordan, Yemen, Lebanon, Palestine and believe it or not, Libya (who claim it's based on Astronomical calculations) [The list is growing (Arabic)]

    While the Fiqh Council (FCNA) of Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) have presumptively declared Wednesday as the first day of Eid

    Which means, the mosques, cities, states and neighborhoods are going to be divided... Yet again!

    Update: Countries, and date of first day of Eid (Multiple sources)

    September 29, 2008 (Monday) September 30, 2008 (Tuesday) October 1, 2008 (Wednesday) October 2, 2008 (Thursday - not final/waiting sighting):

    Nigeria (Northern)

    1. Bahrain
    2. Jordan
    3. Kuwait
    4. Lebanon
    5. Libya (calculated) 
    6. Saudia Arabia
    7. United Arab Emirates
    8. Yemen
    9. United Kingdom
    10. Turkey (Calculated)
    11. Switzerland
    12. Denmark
    13. Kazakhstan
    14. Greece
    15. Ireland
    16. Russia
    17. Germany
    18. Italy
    19. Norway
    20. Austria
    21. Canary Islands
    22. Bosnia
    23. Sudan
    24. Somalia
    25. Djibouti
    26. Kenya
    27. Uganda
    28. Ethiopia
    29. Tanzania
    30. Afghanistan
    31. Bulgaria
    32. Kosovo
    33. Macedonia
    34. Slovenia
    35. Romania
    36. Serbia
    37. Hungary
    38. Ukraine
    39. China
    40. Brazil.
    1. Egypt
    2. Philippines (corrected)
    3. Australia
    4. Indonesia
    5. Malaysia
    6. Norway
    7. South Africa
    8. Maldives
    9. Singapore
    10. Thailand
    11. France
    12. Algeria
    13. Tunis
    14. USA (contested)
      1. Atlanta, GA Eid on Tuesday
      2. California
        1. Parts of LA
        2. Parts of San Francisco
      3. Alabama (Tuesday)
      4. South Carolina (Tuesday)
      5. Michigan - Tuesday
      6. Texas - Tuesday
      7. New York
      8. Washington - Seattle-Tacoma - Tuesday
    15. Canada (contested)
      1. Toronto - Tuesday
    16. Tajikistan
    17. Uzbekistan
    18. Syria
    19. Spain
    20. Finland
    21. Iceland
    22. Netherlands
    23. Poland
    1. India
    2. Pakistan
    3. New Zealand
    4. Mauritius
    5. Iran
    6. Oman
    7. Sri Lanka
    8. Bangladesh

    Update 2:

    According to Phases of the moon tables by NASA, The new moon is born at SEPT. 29th at 8:12 UTC which is like 10 hours before the sighting took place in Saudi, which gives the idea that someone has actually indeed seen it a lot of credibility (since the moon is almost 10 hours old at the time of the sighting) 

    Update 3:

    Apparently, this has confused the offecials at the Empire state building, so they will be shining thier lights in green for the second year in celebration of Eid al fitr Tuesday AND Wednesday

    This is a good time to remind everyone with the system I've been trying to advocate for a while:

    • Ramadan, Shawwal, Eid Al Adha is to be declared ONLY in Mecca. During the night hours in Mecca, based on sightings from all over the world (but most accurately, areas that have been covered by darkness at the time, in other words, nations to the east of Mecca)
    • Once a sighting is confirmed, Mecca announces the beginning/end of Ramadan or any other Lunar month (as ThulHijja).
    • No other sightings are considered EVEN if confirmed (because the lunar calendar will go out of sync)
    • People will start the fast and have the first day of Eid on the same solar calendar day.
    • Mecca may chose to use astronomical calculations OR actual confirmed sightings (because even though calculations are 100% accurate, they don't take into account natural phenomena like reflection, where the moon WOULD BE SEEN by reflection in the upper atmosphere in a phenomena similar to desert mirage), or daylight sightings like during an Eclipse.
    • All the rest of the Muslim and Arab world will follow the ruling (You don't want people in Australia (far east) to start fasting one day late because by the time it was confirmed (in north America for example) it was already day for them

    Happy Eid to everyone, hopefully, one day, within our lifetime we're going to celebrate one Eid in one day

    Eid Mubarak

     

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    Visitor of the day, the affable, prodigious Hani Obaid! Do I have to pickup a dictionary to find out if it's a compliment or insult :P

    Happy Holidays Qwaider!

    Will you take Wednesday off ?
    10 hours is not enough to see the moon. ISNA/ICNA uses the most accurate calculations based on Astronomical data based on the past ~100 years.

    Hani,
    I'm taking tomorrow and Wednesday off since tomorrow is the first day of Eid ul fitr (for me) Since I'm one of the people who likes to show solidarity with my roots. Besides, I celebrate eid more with my family back home than the nonexistent, fragmented community over here
    As for Wednesday, that's my birthday :)

    Not true Mohammad
    The Moon IS born on the 29th at 8AM UST. So based on calculations the moon IS already born (the number is from NASA). Which means that for people like us with 8 hours offset that's 16 hours until it's 8PM over here. There's a chance that we could see it here in north America using any elevated observatory.
    Which casts doubt over the "most accurate" part

    Besides, what a better occasion to show "unity" than this one when people are ALREADY celebrating eid (in the east and west)

    Oh by the way, the reason FQNA "disqualified" this moon is because it would rise and set before sunset. Therefore EVEN if people saw it, it's still not the right moon
    [Since I'm one of the people who likes to show solidarity with my roots. Besides, I celebrate eid more with my family back home than the nonexistent, fragmented community over here]

    ya me 2 tuesday,kul 3am wa antum be 5air and, happy birthday.
    Man you're getting better and a better on statistics and surveys....I'm afraid that you're becoming a statistics  geek (KiDDiNG)
    anything about Egypt???

    Happy Feast
    Egypt is Oct1st
    Eid Mubarak to you and the family.
    I wish we would all follow Mecca too at least in Ramadan because we follow it in Eid Al Adha anyways because of Hajj.  In 2006 my husband fasted 31 days because he started Ramadan in one country and ended it in another, it was so funny.
    • #9
    • chika
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    • On: 9/30/2008 1:48:49 AM
    kol sana o ento salmeen enshallah :)
    كل عام و انتو بالف خير

    بلا مجلس فقه بلا بطيخ

    tomorrow it is!!
    Jessyz
    NOOOOOO, over here they DON'T FOLLOW even for Eid al Adha. I swear!

    Chicka
    Oo into salmeen

    Far7an
    و انتو بألف خير
    يا الله ما احلى اسمك الجديد.. بيجنّن
    and for me, Tomorrow it is
    • #12
    • afaf
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    • On: 9/30/2008 3:59:27 AM
    i am having eid tomorrow with or without them...
    eid mubarak inshalla...
    This is sooooooo ridiculous 3njad! NJ cant even decide to choose one of the days. I announced if any of my friends come over, I'm going to kill them lol.. Khalas, i'm fasting. 7elo 3ani.
    kel sineh wo inta salemmmmm!
    Salam,
    yes, NASA tells you when the moon geometerically passes the phase compared to Earth. ISNA has astronomical calculations on when is this phase "observable" from Earth. Observable angles and phases of moon are complicated to predict. This is why mathematical models were not very accurate for a while. But the current system used by ISNA/ICNA is considered to be most accurate, and I'm serious, it does rely on about 100 years of observations. It was "Tested" for the past 10 years, and it proved to predict observable new moon very well, and I think this is why lead ISNA/ICNA to use calculations.

    I'm glad that here in Bay Area, CA, most people like to follow MCA (Muslim Community Association). MCA is a huge mosuqe that is run as a democracy. You sign up to become a member, and you vote every 2 years to elect an executive committee. The committee, along with the advisory board, makes decisions for the community. They have long decided to follow ISNA/ICNA on any US-wide decision, including Eid & moon-sighting. While few small mosques in the area are praying Eid on Tuesday, most of the muslims here will pray on Wednesday.

    another nice thing about MCA: we don't have a permanent imam. the Juma committee invites 2 imams every friday to give juma khutba.

    anyways... kol saneh wa inta salem.
    • #16
    • deemco
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    • On: 9/30/2008 12:52:19 PM
    Hey Qwaider, kol 3am o inta o Mai b alf khair! :)
    Basing the decision on whether to announce Eid or not based on several citings is a good idea, nice one :) especially since (in sympathy with hani) the muslim community here (west) is fragmented and you end up going to work/school on eid day (yes I am feeling sorry for myself). So we might as well celebrate virtually with friends and family back home!

    Eid Mubarak to you and the Mrs :) hope you have a good one!
    • #18
    • sam
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    • On: 9/30/2008 5:47:11 PM
    Kol 3am winta bekhair Q....i am celebrating eid today ..but my parents insist in doing it tomorrow..thanks to the hamilton mosque and the isna...but i think the mosque is sticking to wed because they have reserved a hall at the convention center so this will screw up their plans..ah well...i too think we need to stick to the sighting in mecca...we only have one moon...i would understand if we were on jupitor...but gosh...grow up people! but i guess allah wanted this to happen for some reason...o well...:o)
    elmohem kol 3aam w eljamee3 b5eer :D
    Salam,
    Explanation where Oct 1st comes from:
    http://www.isna.net/events/Special-Announcement/FCNA-ANNOUNCES-EID-AL-FITR.aspx

    The Moonsighting Committee Worldwide
    http://moonsighting.com/mcw.html

    ISNA define new moon as calculated from Makkah, which is usable for all of the world. The European & US Fiqh Councils have adopted this criteria.
    I disagree with this explanation. And I've seen it before and it's not even worth considering because they're picking and choosing

    It's a shame that there are Islamic bodies like ISNA that blew the unity of the Islamic world just because they want to show some character. It's truly shameful.

    They've known that Muslims will be torn by this yet, they had too much ego to change their mind. Even if they were right. ... EVEN IF they were right! And they're not right!

    I checked Starry Night software, and I was able to see the moon in WASHINGTON State at our longitude. Above the horizon. Which means all that stupid software they use is doing is giving false data.

    Either way, Eid is today, if people want to celebrate it tomorrow, that's their business! Happy Eid Y'all
    Happy 2nd day of Eid Qwaider, and Happy birthday!
    • #23
    • MM
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    • On: 10/1/2008 4:23:47 PM
    This is all about politics and the need to show some character or be different just to be different. There is one moon people!! If someone sees it then the rest should follow. Yeah, good luck having Iran and other countries follow Mecca..on anything!!!
    • #24
    • sifta
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    • Said
    • On: 10/2/2008 9:52:48 AM

    Eid Mubarak!

    Your table of countries is very interesting.  Thanks for the effort in documenting this.

    BTW, 10 hours is too early to see the moon, even with a telescope, even for a late spring Moon in Mecca (where the birth would be seen in the Northern Hemisphere).  In the autumn it is not plausible.  The documented record for an early sighting of a lunar crescent, with a telescope, is 12.1 hours after New Moon; for naked-eye sightings, the record is 15.5 hours from New Moon.

    See the investigation on this topic by Shk. Hamza Yusuf: http://www.zaytuna.org/articleDetails.asp?articleID=100

    According to moonsighting.com, the first first photo snapped of this year's Shawwal moon (taken in New Zealand on Sep 30 ~ 8pm local time).  It is just a sliver of light.  You said that you saw the moon 10 hours prior at like +40 latitude?  

    Eid Mubarak to you too.
    I didn't see it with naked eye, I was using starry night. Which showed the moon over the horizon at ~1%.
    On a clear night, at an ELEVATION the moon could be seen.
    But either way, even if it wasn't seen, it's enough that half the Muslim world is gearing to celebrate for the rest to be united. EVEN if they were wrong! That's the true spirit of unity. It's not about one day more or one day less. It's about celebrating with the global neighborhood
    • #26
    • KJ
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    • On: 10/4/2008 4:23:46 PM
    Funny how the moon skipped Syria and headed to Jordan
    • #27
    • Ali
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    • On: 10/12/2008 1:36:07 PM
    Hmm unless I am losing my memoery, I am pretty sure we celebrated Eid here (NZ) on Wednesday and so did Oman.
    You too can have your Memories Documented

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