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« Be gratefulSo what exactly do you bring to the table? »

Marriage, Personality tug of war

  • By: Qwaider

  • On:Sunday, July 02, 2006 10:16:50 PM
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    I am going to talk about relationships, Marriage to be specific. Co-habitation is of no interest to me.

    couple

     

    If a perfect stranger you meet once in the bus, street, on the train or during a flight can sometimes have an effect on the way you live your life. Wouldn't your significant other have even larger effect?

    The truth is, people are different. A couple would know each other for years. But once they get married it's a whole different game. The most intricate details are shared, that might cause plenty of issues specifically when there is a disagreement about the very same thing or how to do a specific thing.

    Some people are never satisfied until they see a perfect carbon copy of themselves in their spouses. They like to see them share the same views same behavior and exact reaction to the same matter.

    However alluring that might be, it violates individuality principle. No matter how wonderful you [think/hope] you are the fact is, there is always room for improvement. Not only that. There are many things that we come believe as perfection later to understand that we ware mistaken about them.

    What fascinates us about someone is usually their ideas, their take on life, they way the deal with people. The way they handle matters and how cute little things about them are.

    At a later stage in a relationship, these very things may or may not continue to amuse and fascinate us, but it's more likely that we get used to them and sometimes we might even come to resent them at times.

    All men love to see their wives beautifying themselves, yet at a point they may start to get upset of that for many reasons. Maybe the cost is too high. Maybe it draws unwanted attention. Or just plain old gets too boring

    Some seek to totally erase their partner's personality to substitute it with their own. Many partners would accept this. But many others would move to a more defensive position. They hate the idea of giving up their individuality for their partners. But might be faced with a hard choice of either changing or suffer worse circumstances

    One view on this is that both should encourage their individualism. If I want another copy of myself then why am I seeking to be with anyone? I should probably spare someone else the agony and just remain celibate. It would be such a boring existence.

    Yet others wouldn't have it any other way. It's either their way or the highway

    To mediate between these two very opposite perspectives there is the idea of having basic understanding on principles. The implementations or reactions based on these principles. For example, if the couple both agree on what decent attire is, the translation of that principle to actual dressing pattern should be left to individuality to allow the other person to continue to fascinate us with their ideas.

    I only gave the dressing example because other more abstract ideas would be harder to visualize, but is by no means limited to dressing. Even the way you speak, sleep, behave are like that. If you agree on the principle (respectful for example) then the implementation is up to the other person.

    It's very hard to live with someone without projecting your own ideas on them. But that should be resisted since it will eventually lead to rebellion. Remember, your partners are not your children they don't need you to be a parent (all the time) . Allow them some wiggle room to be able to practice their individualism and don't suffocate them with your personality. You might get to hate the person they turn out to be, and get too bored by your own carbon copy

    This subject is really huge, I would love to hear your take on it

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    u r sure right about this subject being so huge, i dont even know where to start and where to stop.
    the couple should like one another for their real self, some small changes might be needed, but if u dont like the person to the point that he/she can only make u happy by changing him/her self to be a totally different person, maybe u should get a totally different person and leave ur partner 2 get some1 esle.
    imposing frames and forcing others to fit might work in a company, where relationships tend to be limited and formal, but this doesnt work in personal relationships: spouse, son, freind.. etc.
    its better if u give ur partner what u expect them to give. and dont accept to put them in a position that u do not accept to be put in urself.
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    • Danah
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    • On: 7/3/2006 1:09:02 AM
    Huge topic indeed .. let me share my humble feminine thoughts about this matter , first .. we as girls – and I of course I cannot generalize however , I know that a number of ladies may share this idea with me –  usually seek certain things about the man that we intend to spend our life with , we dream and pose for a picture perfect marital relation where the term "they got married and lived happily ever after" is the slogan , and we of course imagine that there is an ideal match somewhere out there on this planet waiting for us  ..  well, if not all or most girls think this way , then I admit that I once used to do "childish somehow .. I know !!" .. however , I came to a realization that , there is nothing like a perfect package when it comes to relations and marriage , no matter how much a couple are in harmony , but once they are married they both need to work on so many things , because everything is totally exposed when they start their married life , where tolerance , respect of the other side and compromise are  basic terms of everyday life … Naturally , there should be basic mutual foundations the couple share , which drove them eventually to make the big leap into the shared life , but in my opinion sharing the a mutual foundation , values or understanding in life does not necessarily mean they both follow the exact same path and route in everything they face because first its going to be utterly boring for both of them to be thinking and having the exact same idea about everything , second a different opinions and takes on things is needed for discussions to arise and also new realization about different things in life to come to surface ..
    what I am trying to say is , one of marriage benefits is about completing what's missing in you .. its not about having another you ..  
    That is true, this is a very large subject. But I wanted to comment a little bit on Happily ever after. "Happy endings are unfinished stories"
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    • Iman
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    • On: 7/3/2006 5:51:30 AM
    The way I've always thought of marriage from my own personal perspective is as follows:

    We all have a vision of how we want our life to be...it's all about what type of life and lifestyle you envision for yourself, type of relationship and type of man. So when getting to know someone, you evalute him based on specific set of standards that you have previously defined for yourself. Marriage is more than only love. It's compatibility of thought, life goals, values, respect, understanding, compromise, and love. It's a process in which we're enriched by the company of each other...a major problem is that many girls want someone who 'completes them' ... Which I think is absolutely so very sappy...I mean, what? they're incomplete individuals waiting for someone to make them complete? it doesn't make sense! it's more about having someone with whom you can grow richer, someone who can add a special, unique flavor to your life just as much as you would add to his. Someone you enjoy being with, someone you can be yourself with ... Also, it's important to note that true love is born out of two people whose life goals and vision are shared in the same direction. You might click with him on other levels as well, but it is very important that you can see him as a husband, a provider, and a father to your children. In the end, you can never really know someone untill you actually live with them...and with a healthy foundation based on understanding, respect, compromise, and an open mind the biggest challenges, obstacles in a marriage can be overcome!  
    You know Iman, I read your comment like 5 times, and I feel that I'm not getting it right (excuse my IQ is not great tonight)
    So a relationship is built on a number of factors. But what does getting her richer has to do with it?
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    • Iman
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    • On: 7/3/2006 7:39:01 AM
    lool...richer in knowledge!
    Alright, that makes a LOT of difference

    Qwaider

    Interesting topic, For me I have learned a long time ago, that if I'm with some one exactly like me or close to being so this means a war zone : )

    We need some one to complement us, to be the missing parts of us. Imagine putting together a puzzle, you need two parts that will fit perfectly together but they are not the same. The trick is to know your self well enough, to know what the missing part of you is.

    As for the changing issue, I think they couple should work out the ground rules before marriage, then you will have the minimum amount of conflict.
    That's nice Tamara, I agree, But complementing is not enough. You need a little bit of someone who encompasses you (goes both ways) and who's compassionate with you at the times when you're not at 100% (again goes both ways) Being with someone exactly like you is kind of boring, but also being with someone who's totally alien to everything you stand for is a disaster.

    We love people like us. There ha to be some ground rules that both agree on (as you said) but how things are done should be left to each individual to decide for him/her self

    About change: I'm not saying be static, change is sometimes welcome (like learning to lower the toilet seat when the guy is done) but neither party should seek to change EVERYTHING about the other person. Additionally one shouldn't get frustrated if change didn't happen
    Love, compassion, and the other basics of a relationship are things I did not go into. it goes without saying

    I'm only talking about the choice. I totally believe that I could meet someone who fits what I have in mind 100% and I will hate him or at least don't like him, sometimes we fall for the people and qualities we never thought we will find attractive. But once we find ourselves contemplating marriage, there comes the time we need to sit down and agree to the basics of the relationship.

    As for learning and the good side of change, I would have thought this comes naturally…maybe I'm wrong but that’s what I think when I say a person who complements me.
    No Tamara, change is not natural, and is often resisted. It stems from the fact that relationships are a lot of work. One can't be lazy about them and expect things to just happen.

    So you would hate someone that agrees with you 100%? You lost me there, would you elaborate on that a bit more?

    As for agreeing on basics, core values and principles yes, totally agree. In  conventional marriage, I think that comes as a result of parents choices (they would normally look for people like them)
    Its not that I'm sure I will hate him, but it happened before that I will not like a person, who if I looked at his ...lets say (specifications) sorry bad word to describe a person but could not find another expression. he would be a perfect match for me but there is something missing, and as well the opposite could happen with someone with all the things- I thought- I would not tolerate, I find myself accepting that person.

    But a person exactly like me ....NO we will kill each other : p

    Am I making any sense...I feel I'm not, bottom line relationships are a lot of work, when the right person comes along you will be willing to do all that work on it as long as you agree on the basics...don't over think it.
    you know you're a wise guy..no one needs an extra parent!!some men and some women are like that,and i think at one point everyone could fall into this trap unwillingly.I confess that there have been times when I've realized,hey I'm not his mom I shouldn't be doing this to him ,expecting him to do what I want,when I want it done..that's very wise of you to realize this before getting married..
    Tamara, that makes perfect sense. There  are the concepts of content and acceptance. No matter how fantastic the persons' "specifications" might be. If you don't find him acceptable. Then he's not the right person for you. Might be for others, might be for the scale you're measuring him by. But not for you
    It's very important for us to be honest about these things with ourselves before anyone else
    Great come back Tamara
    Salam, that's lovely. True, we don't need parents, we need partners. But sometimes, we love to enjoy that feel of security that parent's provide. But definitely not all the time
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