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« The relativity of HonorWhy do atheists care? »

Religion and moral values

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  • On:Wednesday, August 27, 2008 7:50:46 AM
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    Why is it that no matter where I turn my head I find people equating religion to ethics? Or lack of! Just people of any faith look at everyone else as being lacking ethics, morals and all values.

    An interesting comment I got by a recent "revert" to Islam, in which she described her life before Islam as being lived "in sin". While I doubt any person can live 100% in sin even if they wanted to, I'm equally shocked by the way some of the teaching were delivered to the trusting, unsuspecting and open to guidance lady.

    Even the prophets themselves didn't claim the honor of cleansing the history of humanity with their message. So home come some people are thinking along those lines!?

    Religion augments any moral system. It reaffirms it. It values it. It complements it. It endorses it if yo wish. It doesn't create it from scratch! That's what many people fail to even comprehend.

    Do you know what was there before Islam? Yes, there was Jahilyyeh (Ignorance) but does that mean that there were no morals and no ethics?

    I'm just shocked of the ways people use these arguments to show their moral superiority because of religion. When I know for a fact that religion, or at least the religious shell of most, doesn't stop them from committing the most heinous of acts.

    Sometimes, even in the name of religion!

    I just wish I can look at the whole religious nation and see them just simply "grow up". I sincerely hope they would some day actually see the big picture!

    Religion is great, faith is awesome. But excuse me, a lot was done before any of it even saw the light

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    I know people that aren't religious but have a wonderful personality.  But for the most part, I believe faith and ethics/morals go side by side.
    The problem isn't with my previous statement but to truly understand this only refers to the people who are actually "practicing" attempting to better themselves with guidance of any set ground (any religion or value, el mohim there are guidelines and beliefs in some sort for self-monitoring and improving).
    You're totally right Batoul, that's exactly what I said. Religion and ethics should go hand in hand. But this doesn't mean that either is mutually exclusive. In fact there are certain religious practices that may be unethical to some other societies. Take for example polygamy. Although it's sanctioned and acceptable in religion where it's considered unethical in the west! Similarly, sleeping around..
    So ... yeah ..
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    • On: 8/27/2008 8:44:02 AM
    I couldn't have said it any better! It drives me nuts wallah! It is like everyone was a sinning infidel throughout human history until 1400 years ago!

    Maybe is it because they think that there is no "ajr" for a good deed unless you're Muslim which means they're hopeless anyway? Or is it just because some people fornicate outside marriage and drink alcohol it makes them immoral?

    So many things fall under the moral/ethics umbrella I think like you said it takes a great deal of effort to be 100% sinful!
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    • On: 8/27/2008 8:53:51 AM
    As you said, Ethics and religion are not the same. A big part of Europe lives on ethics, and knows nothing about religion, and they are now doing very well (in social, science, ethics life), very well that I think God looks at them with pride.

    You know KJ, the prophet himself said, I was sent to augment morals. (not to replace it, not to rectify it)

    Who decides if there will be Ajr? A scholar!? I don't think so

    You know MD, I think god looks down at our societies and feels, sad! After all that was given to us, we're still so backward!

    iam wonder
    because no body can't change quran
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    • Yazan
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    • On: 8/27/2008 1:19:08 PM
    I am totally and a 100% with you on this one. Religion did not bring moral ethics, it's more like moral ethics brought religion.
    Off Topic: You mentioned in the observer's blog that a gay blog was brought down. May I ask you how, when and by who?
    A different perspective
    The blog was not brought down. I was just faced with a very tough decision at that time to add it, or not. I resorted to the readers and people apparently fought over this whole matter. But it all boiled down to what content did the blog has. If the guy is gay, and he's freely speaking about .. oh .. just regular stuff then it would be fine(there are a few of those, and I neither judge nor hate them. In fact I respect and protect their freedom of orientation). But if the blog was talking about sexual material glorifying gay sex. Then I will treat is just like any blog that glorifies regular sex. It's not suitable for family consumption.
    If you want to see the whole fiasco of that time, click here and here
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    • On: 8/27/2008 10:34:18 PM
    I wonder about the concept of Jahliyya, when there had been prophetic revelation from God for 1,000s of years.Don't Moses, Ibrahim & Jesus Christ  count?

    As far as the 'revert', if you consider inner rebellion and desire for independence from God's law as a sin, then it is easy to consider your life as one of sin. Being enlightened as to God's pleasure in our love and obedience makes the old way of life even more glaring in error.
    Hi Kinzi
    Moses, Jesus, Abraham and the rest of the prophet all count. But apparently in Arabia during those days. Many people have got too far from all of that. They were worshipping idols. With few pockets of Christianity and Judaism among the Arabs, the vast majority was apparently worshipping idols.

    As for the previous life thingie. I just don't think that anyone is even capable of living in complete sin away from God's mercy unless that person is Satan himself!
    Im sick of the 'ethics' topic. All the courses talk about 'ethics'.. and I mean all of them. Ethics in business, IT, etc.. it's driving me crazy!
    Wallahi I hear you Dima... Couple of weeks ago, we were FORCED to take policy and business ethics training. It was hilarious!
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    • 4ever4gotton
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    • On: 9/8/2008 6:24:23 PM
    some of us fake religion just to use ppl so they can get a resident card to usa and after that they pretend to be some one else to make the other confused that crap dont work with me.
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    • Anonymous
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    • On: 9/11/2008 6:12:06 PM
    dream on
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    • On: 9/15/2008 10:33:09 PM
    i bet i hit a nerve here
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