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Fitna فتنة: The true face of Fitna

  • By: Qwaider

  • On:Friday, March 28, 2008 12:21:59 AM
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    Geert Wilders the notorious dutch right-wing controversy (and attention) seeker have released to the web "Fitna" the movie about Quran after all the broadcasting organizations in the Nietherlands have decided not to run it.

    Prime minister and the cabinet found it very offensive and can't be shown even censored. Wilders have released it before to the web, but this time I will probably not be taken down

    The movie if it can be considered a movie is childish at best. It's really offensive and I will not be posting a link to it

    The movie fails to capture the artistic level of the movie that killed Theo Van Gogh under the name "Submission"

    I saw the movie

    I saw how it took words of Quran out of context and used them as indications of terror, and violence.

    The movie opens up with pictures of 9/11, only to harvest sympathy from the world. As they have become the face of terror. But doesn't.

    To tell you the truth, I found stuff from the moron Zakarya Butros that are way offensive and would strike a deeper nerve (even though they are preposterous as well)

    And to equate Islam with Nazism, and Communism is just taking it to another level by a racist Islamophobe.

    The movie is juvenile at best and plain prejudice and full of hate. Similar the the kind of hate that the Muslims are suffering from everywhere. Not because of external factors, but because a bunch of thugs decided to hijack our religion and convert it to thier Ultimate Gang in the name of Allah, when everything that God has said, and everything that the prophet Mohammad has preached disowned these "thugs"

    Here are the right translations for the Sura's that were cited in the little movie:

    8:60  Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know

    During war, it's a sound tactic to amass the forces before the hostilities start. This is exactly what the United States and 30 other countries did against Iraq in 1990. There's nothing wrong with this from a strategic or a tactical point of view. Had Saddam at the time been reasonable, he would have probably noticed that he's at a much greater disadvantage and war could have been averted all together.

    This verse does not call for Terror! Terror here is meant as fear. It's only logical that people accept such matter because they are facts of life

    That's the first and main verse that many cite as proof that Islam instigates violence and terrorism. When Islam is completely against it! Even against the enemies, Islam calls for humane treatment of noncombatant, women, children, the elderly and even animals, houses and plants

    That is my Islam, and what the "thugs" promote is not

    This is not the end of it, here's what my "security advisers" told me

    [Advisor] assesses that the release of this controversial film could lead to large-scale protests in Muslim countries across the Middle East, Asia and Africa, some of which have the potential to turn violent. It is also assessed that the highest risk of violence or attacks on Dutch embassies and institutions, nationals and interests is in countries with a history of violence over Islamic issues.

    There is also the possibility that the retransmission of the film or reportage by Western media could result in protests or attacks against other European and Western interests and/or travelers in these countries.

    [Advisor] will continue to monitor the situation and provide updates as warranted.

    Travel Advice

    1. Travel to the Netherlands can proceed.
    2. [Advisor] Members are advised to avoid all protests and large public gatherings, especially those held against the release of the controversial short film about the Koran.
    3. [Advisor] Members are advised to maintain extra vigilance while outside after dark, and to avoid groups of youths, who often gather on street corners. Visitors unfamiliar with the area should avoid straying outside central areas after dark.
    4. Members are also advised to maintain a heightened sense of awareness and enhance personal security measures.

    Apparently, security advisors are taking no chances and they seem to be bracing for a very long and hard turmoil over this one!

    Now, can someone explain to me why do some people enjoy poking a sleeping bear?

    Ok, if you're really persistent and want to watch this movie badly,  (Warning the movie contains some very strong images, so viewer discresion is advised)

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    • #1
    • Arima
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    • On: 3/28/2008 1:39:38 AM
    Interesting...I had been wondering what all the fuss was about but it seems that like many others before him, Hirsi Ali, Van Gogh, Manji etc, this is also just a lot of hot air. I also wouldn't put much stock on it as Wilders himself seems like quite an ignorant person.
    Wilders and co are merely the secularist counterparts to people like Bin Laden, Omar Bakri, Abu Hamza etc, unfortunately it is always the sensationalists who get the biggest press.
    • #2
    • Arima
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    • On: 3/28/2008 1:58:16 AM
    I just this stupid movie and to be honest I don't know why you bothered posting it, it just gives it extra coverage on the net. It seems to be just as stupid and bigoted as any of the previous things and conveys a very simplistic message: Islam is evil.
    You will always get stupid, violent people in every religion and walk of life so it seems very naive or very manipulative of Wilders to imagine and try to portray it as just a Muslim characteristic. Incidentally if you read about him on Wikipedia it seems that he is pretty heavily biased against Islam and has many interests in Israel- not that this should necessarily go hand in hand but it seems that he explicitly wants this to be the case.
    "In the past twenty five years Geert Wilders has visited Israel about forty times, he says. According to his own sayings, he has met Ariel Sharon ("many times") and Ehud Olmert, among others, in Israel. Furthermore, he claims tight connections with the Mossad."
    He seems to represent a riasing trend (especially prevalent in scandanavia) of extremist secularists who seem to be on a crusade against religion in general and appear to be intrinsically xenophobic- Scanadanavia's answer to the Ku Klux Klan in a sense.
    Man ... yislam tomak 1000 marra. Seriously such a great post of yours.
    I have just watched the movie and accidentally stumbled upon your post. I agree with what you say. It is truly sad to see how thugs have hijacked our religion (and the religion of millions) to this other form.

    I also think that we are to blame to some degree. We (the Muslim masses) should exhibit more restraint and truly learn from the example of the prophet. Weren't we all taught the story of prophet's neighbor who kept on throwing garbage on him/his way until one day he stopped so the prophet went and checked on him to make sure he is ok. This is what wins people's hearts and minds.

    What we want is for the West to refuse to show these movies because they RESPECT islam, not because they fear the Muslim barbaric wrath!
    I seriously seriously was soooooooo annoyed by the movie dude!
    Looking over my comment again, i think i should have said fearing "A wrath" .. not "The" wrath since i am trying to argue against that ... anyway, you know what i mean.
    We saw it today in the morning.. and it was definitely not something to start the day with!
    I don't understand why you said you won't link to it, but posted a streaming version of the movie ?

    The movie is not devoid of truth. The events are real, the people are real. The zealots are real. The problem is that the events, poeple, quotes, it chose to portray represent the worst of Islam. So the overall message is a lie particularily the conclusion of comparing Islam to nazism or communism.

    Unfortunately I think this will draw European applause in the current atmosphere.
    Did you notice the google contextual ad banners reaction to this post ?
    Ads by Google:MP3 Quran,Islam Girl,Islam Woman,Finding Men,Exotic Women
    eeek
    • #9
    • KJ
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    • On: 3/28/2008 6:16:45 PM
    dude, why the heck did you post it if you said you're not going to. You're giving it more credit than it deserves.

    There are terrorists in all walks of life. Just like there are priests who molest children, teachers who have sex with students, parents who rape their kids, and other psychotic freaks.

    Is any of the above constrained to a religion? No. They are bashed as humans and not of their religions or what have you. Terrorists are just like them but they just anchor the words of God as their banner. It's just a modern version of the countless bigoted zealots before them.
    Geert Wilders should be ashamed of himself.

    Not only for spreading hate against Islam and Muslims but also for the low quality production that he came up with.

    This video is home user generated content quality, any 13 years old kid on youtube can make a better production than this politician.

    I mean if you are gonna get a death sentence for publishing such a hateful film, then at least do something worth dieing for, so that people would remember you for.

    Btw, These verses can be easily replaced by similar verses from the Bible or the Torah which can be easily misinterpreted.

    This shows basically nothing about Islam it's self because all you see is only extreme misinterpretation of a Holy book, and this can be done in all religious books and actually it can be done even clearer in most religions.

    To prove this, anybody got 2 or 3 hours of free time ready to edit or come up with a similar video but verses from the Bible or the Torah?

    This film is just lame and i don't think anyone on the street will react to it specially that reacting to this film will only give Geert Wilders what he wants.

    The best thing is just to ignore this film, it's just lame, I expected something better to be honest.
    • #11
    • 4 gotton
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    • On: 3/29/2008 4:51:43 PM
    well, i have not seen the movie AND PROBABLY NEVER WILL it pisses me off so completely its another way these kafir infidels can get at our great religion and i give it little effort to make another sorry day for myself. i do know one thing tho. that if we stand beside each other as fellow brothers and sisters suppose to do. and if we connect our bonds and souls and work together as  we become a strong force this world would be a better place,the real problem is-----------WE LET THEM DIVIDE US. AND WE BECAME weak istead of stronger. so the moment we can see this and take actions to change it then that will be the day when we can say we fought for our rights as muslims untill then we are only a small ship at sea waiting to sink.    get my drift?
    oh my god!! i was so pissed when i saw this movie, seriously, the people who did this are so sick, extremely sick!
    LiveLeak had removed the movie from their server :S ra7 3alayy :S
    I know I didn't miss much, but it's always good to keep an close eye on how your enemies think..
    • #14
    • Mo Adams
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    • Said
    • On: 4/1/2008 6:43:53 AM
    Why did'nt you show pictures of the sick american soldiers who were torturing Iraqui people at ABU GHARIB prison?? were they reading verses of the Quran while doing this, or were they reading verses of the bible?
    Why did'nt you show pictures of Sionist gangsters slaughtering Palestenian pregnant women in 1948?
    What I can say is that you are as sick as they are and even more.
    • #15
    • see
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 4/1/2008 8:26:11 AM
    الحق اقول يوجد بهذا الفيلم تجني على الاسلام وقد استعمل به وباخراجه كقول امير   المؤمنين علي بن ابي طالب كلمةحق والمراد بها باطل وهذا الفيلم ما شاهدته به فهو باطل ولا انكر عليكم كانسان مسلم اشكو التطرف الديني ولكن ديني الاسلام ليس ما ترونه انما هو دين محبة وتسامح وتنقيت النفس من علائق الدنيا لتصفى وتنتقل الى خالقهاوالسلام اعجبكم حديثي ام لم يعجبكم فلا يهمني فهذه قناعتي         
    • #17
    • Bring It On
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    • On: 5/4/2008 1:22:39 AM

    Odd, when something is released that happens to portray Islam in negative light, it is met by violent demonstrations.  (Murders, death threats, rioting, looting) Until this ceases to occur your stupid ass reactions reinforce the message that Islam is not a peace loving religion.  Apparently the rocket scientists of the religion are spending too much time manufacturing nuclear bombs.

    More shallow remarks from shallow people!
    First Muslims don't loot when they have a choice. They don't steal or lie. At least true Muslims don't. A true Muslim is the person who wouldn't do that if he had a choice
    You stereo type all Muslims based on the actions of the few. And I can use that against every single ethnicity in existence today. But that will make me just as evil hearted as you are.
    There's nothing wrong with people getting upset and rejecting insult! Or is it only OK for some people and not others? Or perhaps someone will decide how and what do people react to insult!
    Shallow my ass.   While it is true that it is probably a small portion of Muslims that give Muslims as a whole a black eye with their aberrant behaviors.  There is no balance, you never see Muslims condemning behaviors of other Muslims that choose to conduct morally reprehensible acts.  

    Contrary to your beliefs there is something particularly disturbing about rejecting insult when it involves violence.  A political satire comic can give birth to a wave of violence if it portrays Allah in negative light.  There is something particularly disturbing about this. If another person contrived this, well you have every right to think little of this individual, but I don't see the connection to violence.  If Jesus Christ was portrayed in some negative fashion as to slander
    his image, I am sure that many Christians would be particularly upset, but that is where it would end.  Christians would not mobilize and attemptto murder the author of such slanderous material but rest assured
    when the shoe is on the foot of Allah you can most definately believe that there will be some violent retribution to the author of such material.  

    Don't even get me started with those Teletubbie like shows that are widely broadcasted in Muslim countries which imbed a message of martydm, hatred of the West, and hatred of the Israeli state.  If Big Bird started spitting messages of killing jihadists, every Muslim country in the world would be pulling to have him taking of the air, yet they don't seem to have a problem with the anti-west/Israeli programming that is show to their children.

    Me... no my heart isn't filled with hate, I just reject the spin.  
    • #20
    • KJ
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    • On: 5/4/2008 8:45:01 PM
    Bring It On, I actually had a reply which supports some of your views as well as Qwaider's, to shed some light on both your opinions so we can have a better understanding in a non-hostile manner what brings about these riots, the violence, and the minority stereotyping the majority and how the media on both sides is portraying key global issues.

    But then I saw your link to the "website: on your name and deduced you're here pretty much to be arrogant so I am not going to bother myself with the reply.

    You pretty much did what you condemned: "stupid ass reactions reinforce the message that Islam is not a peace loving religion" and here you have yourself reacting in a, allow me to quote, stupid ass way which reinforces Qwaider's response that you're shallow.
    Bring it on
    You started well when you said, it's probably a small portion. Let me expand on that
    Do you think all Marines are Rapists because some have raped?
    All of them are pro torture because your commander in chief's nebulous position on that?

    In fact, most Muslims, Me included condemn acts of terrorism regardless of the reasons. And trust me, we're the majority.

    As for rejecting insults. There's nothing wrong with protesting, demonstrating, debating and refuting the silly arguments. Add to that my peaceful rejection to such insults through posting articles about them like this one. You see, this is the civilized way to do it. I don't go around spraying other people's blogs with shallow ideas from someone as ignorant as you.

    You need to understand that there are issues in this world, honor, and religion just to name a few that many people on the face of this planet think they're worth dying for. Insulting these is worse than actually killing these people. Your failure to understand or appreciate other people's values is a simple indication of lack of tolerance (that you think you have) and narrow vision. In other words, this is a very clear case of bigotry. The way you're are dealing or understanding it.
    Actually, think again, many Christians would be very upset and some might turn violent at times. But if they don't then the Muslims would feel upset about this insulting Jesus Christ because, guess what, he's holy to Muslims too.

    And while the west have forgotten what honor means, many other places in the world are upholding it, and will continue to do so.

    Well, if Allah, is such a Taboo for people, then why cross the line? Respect people and you shall be respected, insult them and they will hate you, and some will get to you, and yes, sadly kill you. Although again, I am totally against killing.

    As for the shows on TV, it's so funny coming from someone already bombarded by stereotypical views of Arabs and Muslims. You think I'm kidding? Just watch ANY American show. And show me how Arabs are portrayed compared to anyone else!
    It's so hypocritical of anyone to barge in on a culture and try to impose their own set of values. If you don't recall, we're no longer in the dark ages of Europe and I don't need your missionaries to tell me how to sleep with my wife. Keep your mornic values to your self.
    Martyrdom is actually a good thing, It's the highest honor anyone can have. Some have done so for the liberties in the west. There's nothing wrong with it. It's only when it's against western interests it becomes .... yes, terrorism.
    As for Hatred for Israel, trust me, there's no amount of media in the universe that can out do Israel itself from instilling hate in everyone. After killing, and butchering civilians for 60 years. You really don't need anyone to tell you to hate the occupation, the oppressors, the bigots and that's not even me talking that's only the United nations and many many resolutions that ware Vetoed by the US government

    And yes, your heart is filled with hate, as your mind is filled with propaganda...
    But you know what? I'll pray for you...
    You too can have your Memories Documented

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