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Disgusting Arabs!

  • By: Qwaider

  • On:Sunday, March 16, 2008 4:22:44 AM
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    I've written many times before about self hating individuals. This same concept extends to self hating one's family, nation, culture or religion.

    These are not to be confused by people who are actually doing everything they can to make the whole world a better place for everyone. There are many who bitterly criticize social issues, on the hopes of change, or improvement. It's not the same thing. Hate, and criticizing for change are completely different! Although, for some shallow people, it's the same thing.

    Take for example the individual who disgraces the whole Arab nation, females in specific with her name. She disgusts me. She insults ever single Arab, or female Arab with her pedantic nagging, her negativity and above all her stupid ignorance. Combined with bitter memories of long gone interactions with males who found her repulsive. Females who found her slutty and you have the inner workings of of yet another Wafaa Sultan.

    People are free to criticize as they like. They're free to formulate ideas and opinions about anything and everything. But criticism with absolutely no goal is nothing more than child play. Continuous nagging is nothing more than someone's way to show the world how they're filled with hate and asinine pathetic mental sickness.

    It's also one thing to seek attention, and to seek attention by ridiculing, insulting and humiliating, not only yourself of your family, but the whole nation. Which is indicative of serious mental issues dealing with prioritization, visualizing the bigger picture of even figuring out what is important or simple things like having shame when you commit something shameful

    I'm disgusted of such individuals, I would be the first to disown them from my culture. They're like cancerous cells that serve nothing but their selfish hateful ugliness. What they do more than anything is vent their poisons in everyone eles's direction instigating more hate and more and more disgust

    Male's ego is the the most painful thing to hurt. If you think that's the worst thing to insult, try hurting the ego of a woman by remotely scratching her beauty or self worth. I do sympathize with people who are naturally ugly, but not with people who allow their minds and soul to turn ugly. There's no excuse for it!

    If there is any small advice I would give anyone it would be to DEAL with your hate, don't force it to run your life. Hate gets you no where. You will earn people's disrespect. You will receive no sympathy, all you will get is a reflection of your hate.

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    • KJ
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    • On: 3/16/2008 9:36:37 AM
    Sam, not everyone is aware that they're hateful. I doubt if you talk to Wafa Sultan she'd say anything but her being honest and objective on the subject matter.

    Hate is a negative emotion which means it is a symptom of a problem (compared to happiness which is a result). In order to stop hating, the person in question needs to first: Acknowledge their hatred and second: Identify the problem.

    You're speaking of some certain individuals who are criticizing Arab culture to the extent of pointless nagging. I firmly believe that such individuals are hypocrites because they chose to live in that culture. While I undertstand that criticism is a key to improvement, bigotry and hatred is just a form of helplessness.

    Not one culture is perfect, but they are all good enough for the people who belong to that culture. In today's global village, cultures are learning from one another, although some cultures (like ours) is a bit more resilient to change, and rightly so.

    Hatred typically is a symptom of prolonged deprivation or attack of constant attack of one's own values/beliefs/personal life, etc. And it isn't easy to deal with
    I would have to add that when you reflect the hater's hate, you are not only justifying it, but fueling it, and giving it a purpose, and a platform to grow.

    The comics about the prophet are a good example I think. If Muslims ignored it, then the person who drew them would have been just another insignificant cartoonist that no one will have ever heard of.

    When Muslims reacted, they fell into his trap, gave him fame, and made the Europeans consider him a champion of freedom of speech when in fact, he was simply being shallow, rude, and seeking attention. I'll bet he'll be writing a book soon, and making money of their reaction.

    Wafaa Sultan and the cartoonist are very similar in this manner, and I'd be more interested in why Al-Jazeera gave her a platform when they knew her ideas, than anything she has to say.

    I guess the moral is to consider the consequences of our actions rather than just whether we are right or wrong.
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    • On: 3/16/2008 1:08:36 PM
    this is hani obaid's philosophy in life summed up:  don't boycott killers, don't respond to offensive people, don't react to insults to your culture or religion, ignore it when someone stick his dick up your ass. it will all go away in due time.

    Hani, you put lame ducks to shame.

    PS did anyone ever verify that a hani obaid does exist in the flesh?
    susmama, if you presented an argument at all, I would gladly respond, rather you decided to spew the usual stream of personal off-topic insults. Thank you for proving my point.
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    • On: 3/16/2008 3:28:29 PM
    At these moments....donot u wish to be a kid again....??
    Their world view is limited to what is worse in the world, they are blinded by bad memories. Sometimes it is their family, the father or maybe the mother, but it just came from somewhere. Maybe abuse is the root cause, you never know.. I feel sorry for such creatures..

    And who said that all people become mature as they grow?
    susumama: i dont wish to divert the subject of the blog (sorry Q :)) but Hani is absolutely correct, if u think about it: "dont boycot killers," ofcourse we dony boycot them, we punish them, "dont respond to offensive people," the BEST tactic in the world to face offense is refraining from responding, "dont react to insutlts," u just said it, "reaction!" its the worse shape of response
    after all, who do they think they are to believe that they actually hurt the Prophets legacy by one hair! reacting is confirming that when its far from reality, dont u people have any confidence in ur God at all? That man has been promised the highest place of paradice, do u honestly believe he got offended?! the Prophet took insults for at least ten years of his life, and he never "reacted," can we be up to his behavior today? if i were the whole islamic nation, i would completely ignore them...

    but rest assured, boycotting denmark should NOT be becuase of these cartoons we should have boycotted the whole offenders a long time ago, because boycotting ya 3azeezee (or 3azeeezatee) is a weapon, not a REACTION! a weapon out of the ditch, not a weapon against offenders, as a matter of fact, this is a good chance for islamic respresentatives to clear out the message of islam to danish, now if they choose to go on with their offense, its freedom of speach in danish format (a low rude one)

    bass i gotta say something, this is a battle that i completely believe we should not fight, we got other more important battles to fight, ya3ni i dont think responding to danish is more important than responding to whatever happened in Gaza! ya3ni hee waggafat 3al masakeen? tab ma tool 3omorna ebnakol saramee w bnoskot, u think they reached that level of rudeness overnight? tara they wouldnt dare do teh same to an american or even Bodha!

    sorry yakhook Q, i think if one of the houses is open for everyone to discuss everything it would be selfish of me to open my house and adareb 3aliek, actually it would be dumb as i would get no visits :)
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    • On: 3/17/2008 6:19:09 AM
    I know who you mean. She is absolutely dispicable! Totally disgusting! YUCK!

    I don't know how she manages to live with her self with all that ugly dark hate inside of her. She might manage to fool simpletons like Kinzi, but not the rest of the world. We know what kind of a desgusting piece of crap she is.

    Thanks for speaking my mind. Sorry for being Jaban
    I'm baaack :) ... Did you miss me? huh? ... huh? ... huh?!

    Oh listen hon! There are so much JUNK out there. If anythign she is nothing but that! We know!

    As for so many others, hate appears to dominate thier lies. Everything stems straight from thier hate. End result is simple, people hate them back. Just look, 20% of her posts are "they hate me"
    KJ, I totally love your point of view on this! Really well said
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    • Kactuz
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    • On: 3/17/2008 8:51:10 PM

    If you people want 'hate' then consider how the Quran treats non-Muslims.  Consider the way Muslims treat other religions where they dominate.  Consider the recent news about Jordan expeling Christians.  Consider the blasphemy and apostasy laws.  Consider the things written about Non-Muslims in so many arab textbooks, or broadcast on TV/Radio and, yes, preached in the Mosques.

    Yes, Muslim know hate.  They suck on it and blame others.  Here is my request.  Why don't you people read your own ahadith and consider the things your dear prophet did.   How do you justify the 26-27 raids on peaceful villages?  Why did think it is OK for your prophet to kill his critics?  How about the men, women and children taken as captives and enslaved. Oh yes, what do the words "He hit me and caused pain", spoken by the prophets young wife, Aisha, mean to you?

    I could go on and on and on.   I have read your Quran, the hadith and all the early biographies (yes, the "authentic") ones and I found plenty of  violence and hate.   

    Let me ask about these things:

    Zayd b. Harithah ordered Qays to kill Umm Qirfah, and he killed her cruelly. He tied each of her legs with a rope and tied the ropes to two camels, and they split her in two. Then they brought Umm Qirfah's daughter and 'Abdallah b. Mas'adah to the Messenger of God. Umm Qirfah's daughter belonged to Salamah b. 'Amr b. al-Akwa', who had taken her - she was a member of a distinguished family among her people: the Arabs used to say, "Had you been more powerful than Umm Qirfah, you could have done no more." The Messenger of God asked Salamah for her, and Salamah gave her to him (Al-Tabari: The Victory of Islam, Volume VIII, pp. 95-97)

    Here is another similar story: Abu Bakr ordered us to attack. We made a halt during the last part of the night tor rest and then we attacked from all sides and reached their watering-place where a battle was fought. Some of the enemies were killed and some were taken prisoners. I saw a group of persons that consisted of women and children. I was afraid lest they should reach the mountain before me, so I shot an arrow between them and the mountain. When they saw the arrow, they stopped. So I brought them, driving them along. Among them was a woman from Banu Fazara. She was wearing a leather coat. With her was her daughter who was one of the prettiest girls in Arabia. I drove them along until I brought them to Abu Bakr who bestowed that girl upon me as a prize. So we arrived in Medina. I had not yet disrobed her when the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) met me in the street and said: Give me that girl, O Salama. I said: Messenger of Allah, she has fascinated me. I had not yet disrobed her. When on the next day. the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) ag;tin met me in the street, he said: O Salama, give me that girl, may God bless your father. I said: She is for you. Messenger of Allah!
    That is from Muslim's hadith.  Here is the link:
    http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/019.smt.html#19.4345

    Yes, the prophet gave away the girls, as presents.   I suppose that makes it all fine and wonderful.

    OH, by the way, wasn't Abu Bakr one of the four "Rightly guided" Caliphs, the only one not murdered by other Muslims?  Wasn't he the one that waged the Riddah wars on other Muslims because they didn't pay tribute to him?   Just asking?

    Would some Muslim please explain these things to me.  Is that too much to ask?   And people say "Praise be unto him" after the name of the man that participated in so many terrible things like these -- and then accuse others of being "filled with hate" when they hear things that are true.

    Think! Damn it, Think!

    Kactuz

    PS:  When you criticize someone and call them stupid, liar and ignorant (In this case, Wafa) you should explain what she said and then present facts showing her to be wrong.  That is how the rest of the world conducts logical arguements.  That is just a suggestion.
    Kactuz
    Quran is very humane when dealing with non Muslims. And promotes forgiveness, tolerance, understanding and equality.

    Muslims treat other Religions very respectfully when they are the dominant. For example, look at Spain. The Muslims ruled there for 800 years, the Spanish people were never coerced into abandoning their religion
    Look at Kopts in Egyt, the Orthodox church in Jordan, Palestine, Lebanon and Syria. Look at the Assyrians and Kaldanis in Iraq and Syria. The list can go on for ever of Muslims coexisting very respectfully with other religions.

    No respectable righter in the whole Arab world would promote violence, hate or anything like that towards non Muslims when it's mandated by the Quran and the Sunnah to be respectful and tolerant.

    There are no such textbooks, broadcasts or radio stations in the Majority of the Arab world. Animals like Osama bin Laden have hijacked my religions and idiots like George Bush have generalized that to all Arabs and Muslims

    Muslims are Mandated by their religion NOT TO HATE, do do no harm. But there are exceptions. When they are forced into it. They have to defend themselves.

    I read my own Hadith and there are many things that are. 1) Taken out of context. 2) projected in the modern sense when you can't really draw a comparison compared to those times. And I will prove it to you that is even if what you mention below is true

    The Raids in the Arabic culture at that time were a common thing. It was the culture of "Kar and Far" which is Raid and run, or raid and withdraw. That was part of the culture at that time and people completely understood it.
    Most of these were provoked and had a reason for them. They weren't the acts of bandits. They also followed strict rules of engagement. But there is no "clean" war. These people you think have done raids have actually been prosecuted, and driven out of their homes by the people they raided. It was a retaliation, proving their right to exist.

    Muhammad didn't kill any critics. Unless they fight him. And just like any leader, he has to do what he is forced to do. defend him self.

    The Women and children were also customary to go into enslavement when their tribe loses. But that's not a tradition the Arabs or Muslims started or continued. It had roots from the Greek and Romans and it was acceptable in Christianity and Judaism. It is the way the world was in those days. The winners take all. Including women and children
    Fact is, on many occasions prisoners of war were released. Sometimes in exchange for a monetary value, and others if they did community service like teach someone who can't read to read. But often, released without any demands out of the good heart of the Prophet. Try to explain that to the crusaders who burnt 70,000 Muslims, Christians and Jews and said let god sort them out.

    The prophet was a model for humane treatment of women. He has given them so many rights, asked people not to beat their wives and there wasn't any documented case of him ever beating a man, woman or a child. He was the gentle person. Unlike say, Moses who actually Murdered a man in his youth before he fled Egypt

    You have not read the Quran with the intention of reading it and understanding it. You have read it with 21st century thought projected over it. Thinking that. "Oh he said fight" then it must be violent. Truth is, war is only a last resort for Muslims. They never initiate it, and even when they do they are humane

    Zayd is not the prophet. There were people who decided to take matters into their own hands. Muhammad was the most humane with his opponents. Much more than say, what they have done to the Muslims at times. If Um Qirfah was killed like that, thousands of Muslim women have suffered more excruciating deaths before her. I don't see you defending them!

    You have to understand that slavery was allowed. (and excuse me, was STILL ALLOWED in the US 100 years ago) where similar acts or even worse were committed
    You can't judge a society through your eyes now.

    The Riddah war wasn't for tribute. There were false prophets that threatened to destroy the whole Islamic nation and split it into many. The unification war was sanctioned. Very similar to the civil war in America. This again, was forced down upon Muslims and not initiated by them

    I hope you take this explanation with an open mind. It's easy to look into a paragraph and say. God damn, the declaration of independence promotes violence because it says. Fight! But when the battle is brought to your home. It's stupid not to fight back!

    If you look at the modern day America, you can see this with you own eyes. If you don't support the military efforts then you're not a patriot and many would consider you a traitor. People calling for "Nuking Mecca" and "occupying Arabia" and I can cite a few, are calling for what? Isn't that violence? Hatred and oppression of the worst kinds?

    As for Wafa, I took her just as an example to liars and ignorant people who transmit and don't receive. They only want to show their side of the argument in the ugliest of ways Instead of bothering with a discussion, or coexistence, or finding common solutions to issues.

    As a Muslim, we are interested in peaceful coexistence. Just what any human is looking for safety, security, decent respectful existence. Nothing out of the ordinary
    Qwaider, it really rocks, that you took the time to answer questions posed from such a one-sided point of view with such calmness. I wanted to disagree on only a couple of points:
    1. "Truth is, war is only a last resort for Muslims. They never initiate it, and even when they do they are humane"
    2."You can't judge a society through your eyes now"


    1. Unfortunately this cannot explain why we went all the way to Spain. We were trying to spread the religion by the sword. We were much more humane about it than the crusaders, but overall had the same evil plan.

    2. Why not ? Sunna is based on the actions of the prophet. Presumably how he and the Sahaba (his companions) acted is our example of a model Islamic society. What's more is that the Quran is meant to be timeless, so disregarding the historical parts, the lessons and examples outlined within define Islam at any age.
    1) We didn't go all the way out there unprovoked. In fact, The Roman empire have enslaved Arab nations for centuries. This was the result. They were conquered back. Same thing about Persia
    2) You took that statement out of context. There are two important things here. First the world was different. It was more accepting to these things. Slavery, torture, ...etc were everyday realities. Second, you're imposing modern day values that carry no weight back then.

    The fact is, Muhammad tried his best to swim against the norms of his time. As much as he was successful in revolutionising the whole region. There were things that were beyond any one's ability to reform them. For example. Women rights. Every time he would propose something in favor of women, he would be faced with a lot of opposition by many including the closest of Sahaba. There's a limit to the amount of change that, even a prophet, can bring to a society.
    At the end what he succeeded in best is to plant the seeds and point to the moral compass that people need to follow. And sure enough, few centuries later they were at the top of the world
    this kactuz is just a living example of sheer hate and he (she) cannot even see it! the hadith about hitting Aysha, never heard of it, if those stories are true (im sure some of them are) state them in Arabic please, including the trail of tellers, although someone taking two hadiths out of 1000 others just to prove a point, im just questioning your intensions! how about the hadith: Ma akramahonna ella kareem, wa ahanahonna ella la2eem? you dont like? thought so
    in general, i see you are attacking islam as a religion, comparing it to christianity, ofcourse, you lose right on the spot because christian history is full of blood, where the islamic history even the bloody one is very limited, books in schools and here and there magnify the effect of battles making everyone believe that islam was given by the sward, well, these books are liars, the numbers of people died on either side through out these battles did not exceed 1000 (believe it or shalla 3annek dont believe)

    Hani, religion was not taken to spain it was political issues that drvoe them there, and the guy who did that was no prophet he could have made mistakes - where as u should not forget what omar ben 3abdel 3aziz did when a commander attacked a country in south east asia without telling them about islam first, a man from this country complained to omar, when he knew he asked teh commander to withdraw all forces, and reveal the message of islam first! that would not happen in a 1000 years in the US army, and please stop comparing islam to christianity, its a consititution, i have yet to know about a country that does not give its own citizins more rights than immigrants, why wouldnt the islamic country do the same!

    i dont suppose u read in the quran that you read, the words "3atq raqaba!" how many occasions are there in islam that made salvation in setting a slave free? so yes slavery was there as a social system (not that demeaning low-life american slavery to black people) but islam was the first to try to break people from this habit, which tells us (just like Q suggested) that it was meant to be taken further with time until the whole habit is ditched... and it has been ditched, there is no race on earth that has interracial marriages like amongst the moslems, but i dont suppose u read that in your quran did ya?

    kactuz, your method in driving one or two examples of a whole history then ending up with "think Damn it!!" is not new to us at all, ive seen worse logics on the web, and i went to websites that have the word 'islam' in the domain name to publisize christianity and i thought, how pathetic! seen it, and seen its people fade away, and islam to prove it to u, is still growing fast

    talking about the islamic constitusion and laws, this is not the place for it, but rest assured, its a huge topic, bigger than the declaration of independence
    Mariam, I did know about the concept of slavery in the Quran and the bible, and it's casually mentioned in BOTH. Casual in that it is accepted as the norm.

    The problem is 3atq raqaba (freeing a slave) sort of implies you had the right to own the slave in the first place.

    I mean is it really compassionate to tell a slave you will free them only if they take Islam as their religion ? Shouldn't you free them just because it is the right thing to do regardless of what age we live in?
    You can't change the social norms overnight Hani. People would have left the religion and never looked back. It needed to happen gradually over time
    However, Islam did institute salve rights (whaaaat!!!?) yes, Slave rights. Including there is no obedience in committing a sin. They have the right to be fed and clothed. They have are sentenced to HALF the punishment of free people (WHAAAT?) Yes, the punishment is half because they don't own their freedom.
    While under Christianity and the western American slavery they had DOUBLE the punishment of the free man. The list goes on, for example. If a slave woman gives birth to a child from her master. He has the right to be called to his father. He is born free. Unlike otherwise where that child is considered a slave and belongs to no one!

    Slavery is bad, Islam didn't abolish it. There was no way to do it at the time. But gradually over the years. Slavery went away. The last remaining forms of slavery was the black history of the United states!
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    Yuck Muslims....yuck Quran, yuck woman haters.   Why do I say this? Because I can sweetie, like it or not
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    America doesn't make one Great! However, your vocabulary isn't appropriate, it contains a lot of hate and degradation to many great people. And women respecting and loving Arabs which I assure you are the majority.
    Arabs are not women haters. We cherish women more than you can imagine. Stereotyping being promoted by the likes of foxnews for very evil reasons.

    Rest assured, there's a lot that you don't know about this culture. It's greater than what you think

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