Wake up and smell the coffee.
- By: Qwaider
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After reading this post many people are going to accuse me of atheism. But I assure you, I'm farther from it than you can imagine. I have a deep religious connection with the lord and great pride in the teachings of Islam. I happen to have some major disagreements with others on some of the matters. But not the principles. This article is not only for Muslims
I am not an atheist. I believe deeply in God. Pray five times a day, encourage and defend woman's right to be veiled and have a greater goal of making Islam more understandable and more human not only to Muslims born into it. But to others looking from the outside
On the same note, I'm not trying to convert anyone, I just want to philosophically discuss some of the matters that have been disturbing me recently. To many they find this going outside the religion. I would counter with saying. Where would we be without Ibn Khaldoun, Al Farabi, and other Muslim philosophers who have totally renovated everyones' visions and understanding of Islam. Of course there are great thinkers on each side. Some push to Sufism, some push towards Salafism each has it's good and bad ideas.
The absolute absence of the Muslim sages in the modern times is to blame to the conditions we're in these days. We have these half educated scholars who are governing our life converting Islam to "listener's choice" deciding to rule us into submission to 17th century Islamic dark ages. Without following the soul of the text or the real gems that exist deep within it's teachings.
I refuse to be a mindless follower. There are billions that would chose to follow. Choosing the easier route of depending on what scholars come up with. Only to be disappointed by achievements that totally contradict these scholars
I view the status of Islam these days exactly at the same situation the Catholic church was during the dark ages. Prosecuting scientists and visionaries and subjecting to inquisition anyone and any idea that has even the remote notion that what these half scholars are calling Islam. The way I see it, this is their version of Islam and not true Islam
It has been very common in recent years to brand something with "The Islamic way" or "Islamic miracle" to totally cripple any voice for reason and mute people who are really trying very hard to prove ideas that may on the outside seem to be contradicting but on closer inspection might prove to be 100% rooted in the teachings. Or can happily live along side.
To start, there is the concept of "Aqidah" which is the the Islamic creed. These overrule everything if anything contradicts with them. These are the core teachings of Islam that are never wrong when taken withing the correct context. Almost everything else driven from them is open for interpretations. The items that are open for interpretations don't include the basic Islamic "Ibadat" or the religious rituals like prayers, fasting and other pillars.
Then there is the concept of "Fiqih" which are the basic rules of Shariaa as in the Islamic law. Fiqih include rules that communicate certain higher values like for example "Pushing away harm is referred to bringing benefit" as in the case of Alcohol and betting in Islam. Or "the benefit of the group outweighs the benefit of the single if they contradicted", or "Necessities overrule prohibition"
One of these rules that is often times misunderstood is "If a contradiction should occur between PROVED scientific finding and the Quran or the Hadith. Then the interpretation is reconsidered". When we talk about interpreting of the Quran, and Hadith there are two major types. "Tafseer" which means literal explanation and for the most part this never changes. And then there is "Ta2weel" which is an explanation that could be reinterpreted again as we make newer discoveries or understand the universe better.
With these powerful tools in place in the core of Islam, I find it astonishing that there has not been any major revamping campaigns in Islam in the past few centuries. There have been some attempts at the beginning of the 20th Century by, Mohammad Abduh and Jamal Eddin Al Afghani and many others. To address the advent of modern science into our everyday lives. But since then all voice of reasons have been put to darkness by fundamentalists and purists vowing to stick BLINDLY to the text. I don't disagree that our fore scholars have done a fantastic job in interpreting Islam in amazing ways. But it's been almost a thousand years since they have departed. And it's time to revamp our whole system again. This is by no means a single person effort it would take the collective effort of institutions like Al Azhar and other Islamic schools to achieve such a renovation. The truth is, Islam in the 1000AD form is not the same Islam that Mohammad came with, and will need alot of modern day work to meet the challenges of the third millennium.
What I just said might be shocking for many, but it's inevitable. If Islam is to stand the change of times and advance in science and not repeat the catastrophe of the Catholic church (which lead to secularism, and huge disbelief in the west)
Islam should once again embrace science and scientists as it has been originally designed by our maker. And have these visionaries lay out our future. Instead of rattling about Using a tooth brush or Miswak before prayers and Oral sex between married couples.
It is time to write a modern, updated version of Tafseer of Quran that takes into considerations the lessons learned over the past 14 centuries. It's time to Look once more into the Hadith and understand it in light of modern times. It's time to clean the whole Shariah from rulings that either don't apply or lost their context now. We need a revolution. Shariah is one of those open for the second type of interpretations that I talked about earlier. We need to understand Islam once more and make sure it is not affected by external factors.
I see the future days containing huge challenges for faith in General and Islam in particular. There will come a time that every belief that we hold dear will be in the balance and without proper understanding it seems that more clashes and heat points will arise to a point where people are going to drift further apart and decide to pick a side.
I call on all Muslim scientists to go back, to Islam and collectively enrich our Shariah with their science. We need our best and brightest to go back to the Quran and Sunnah and apply what they've learned to help Islam face the modern challenges and the challenges to come.
It's a shame really when our best and brightest are continuously pushed away by the ones who take religion as a profession. And continue to push people's minds into darker and darker times. I see this everyday as certain core values are being set aside and replaced with closed mindedness and bigotry. When has Islam become so intolerant? When has it become so backward and against advancements? Is all we need to learn in Islam is how to perform ablution and pray? This is the extreme opposite of the concept that Islam is a religion and life. And we should all stick together in demanding that our scholars revamp and recreate the true spirit of Islam in the face of challenges that are coming it's way now and in the future.
This is a level 400 article, if you have no idea what I just said and decide to just rant about it, then please read it again. And try to understand the deep thoughts in it. If you get from it that I'm against Islam or that I'm calling to drop the core teachings in favor of modernization and globalization then you have totally missed my points.
It's time to wake up.... and not be as Mutannabi eloquently said:
اغاية الدين ان تحفوا شواربكم يا امة ضحكت من جهلها الامم
May god enlighten everyones' path to see the amazing values and truths in Islam
Memories....
As I said, this is a Level 400 article, if you don't understand what it says. I suggest you would allow people who have ideas and thoughts to improve our extremely bad position speak. You can follow with the billions that I mentioned.
As for Al Mutanabbi. You make me laugh. It's like saying "Americans are the inventors of computers we shouldn't use their technology". So ridiculous and totally unsubstantiated flawed logic
But thank you for visiting
Qwaider, do I get a gift for reading a level-400 article of yours only once & fairly assume I understood it? Good thinking all through despite my humble self’s disagreement exhibited below.
Methinks it’s the adherents of Islam who have to change their perception & the way they fundamentally value their deen! I do believe that Islam at its core: its creed, its teachings (sharia) or even the pick’’n’choose voluntary practices (Sunnan); they’re all sound & firm (not rigid) & seem to only make even more sense as the test of time take its toll f others.
A rhetorical claim? Yes, but I see much renovation taking place now a days not at the core of Islam, but rather with its practical application in contemporary times & the way we approach & implement what Islam dictates in our daily lives to the tiniest of details.
The discourse of Islam (manifested by its adherents) you hallmarked from the 17th century onward is a factual historical reality that cannot be overlooked, but claiming that the very essence of Islam is to be blamed & therefore must be revisited (& not necessarily going back to its origin) in order to survive? Survive what exactly? In what form? & In comparison to what?
I really entertained the fact that you made a clear distinction with what you envisage to be the “right” course for Islam (or Moslems?) to take from now on to avoid the “catastrophic” fate of the church establishment (not Christianity), but again, you didn’t fill my cup (mind the ego) as to say how to avoid ridiculing the Islamic creed onto a mere token of abstract diversity (mono, poly or 100 hands God or Gods, it doesn’t really matter as longs as you’re “good”!
Or how to distinguish between making undermining concessions & the merit of being flexible which us (Moslems) brag that Islam is rather good at by necessity!
I leave you with the following discussion about copyrights & intellectual-property I had with a non-practicing Moslem who zealously claimed that intellectual property & copyrights is forbidden in Islam (Haraam)! When I asked him for citation, he bluntly referred me to some satellite TV “cleric” who made such erratic “decree” on the premise that the prophet Moh’d –pbuh- prohibited the withholding of knowledge. (Which is true, the Hadith).
Now, this incident reminded me of the years of defeat early last century, as tobacco (mainly cigarettes) started making dominant widespread presence in Moslem countries, the Moslem scholars at the time, did not forbid it because they were ignorant (like most of the world) of its health implications & lacked the long-term vision & responsibility towards the decrees they issue (a common trait at the time).
Later on, smoking was scientifically established to be what it is, but with no avail, the Moslem scholars were already split on the matter simply due to ignorance with contemporary findings & lack of renovation (until recently).
Back to the intellectual property & copyrights discussion, I reiterated that although at face value; it appears that the latter concepts are in line with the above tradition of the prophet –pbuh-, hence being “Haraam” yet its not for us & the TV clerics to discuss or make broad statements, you have well-established universities who have courses systematically studying & specializing in this field, volumes of thesis are being written in this regard & research being conducted by scholars who are being offered PhD degrees upon it.
And by the way, Islamic Sharia endorses copyrights & intellectual property, but it puts further emphasis upon the governing bodies to carry the financial burden of distributing the knowledge it protects through copyrights, while encouraging intiatives that are in the line of what the open-source community is doing… a very neat hybrid.
I have the following reads for you to much on:
The Sheikh-Makeover reality show & the “Islamic” franchise! (shameless self promotion)
And a promising new blogger: Tamara's corner
*Waves to the wondering friend*
There are no words that can be used to express my joy to read your response. This is exactly the type of discussion that I had in mind. Any you my good friend have delivered so truly on it, I'm so delighted and grateful
Now, as I read it, I discovered that you're making claims that something IS actually being done about the matters that are concerning me, and that is wonderful. I would like to see this progress even more and being supported by Islamic bodies, countries and the people in General
I'm not sure you read me correctly when you assumed that I want change in the core of Islam. Those are not up for discussion nor do I even insinuate to their change. But many things that are up for interpretation do need to have that done to them and by that I mean a reliable body of scholars that are making these amendments not for personal profit as in the case of to Copyright or not to copyright.
The reason I made this post was because I was outraged by some remarks made by people on the likes of noor station that continuously attempt to compromise the religion based on the mistakes done by the followers. We are held accountable to the religion not the other way around
Again, I would like to firmly confirm that the kind of change I'm seeking is not in the creed or the sources. But rather the interpretations and applications of those sources.
** with your permission I have made slight changes to your post to fix the format ONLY, and deleted the duplicate, Please revise and let me know if there is anything missed out **
In my humble opinion, Islamic scholars (the closed minded ones and they are many) have not changed with the times and still see their main role as teachers and preachers of rituals and strictly religious practices. This role, I believe has become redundant with the spread of knowledge and the accessibility of information through books, Internet and other tools. One can easily now find instantly answers to questions about Ibadat and every day Mo3amalat. My point is that if all they can offer is to teach about ablution, prayer, hijab and other rituals and practices, then we don't need them, unlike may be a 100 years ago, any Moslem with basic education can easily find out these things without their help.
However, they can make themselves relevant and do us a great favor if they lead and use their knowledge and whatever respect they still have to become catalysts for social reform. Although, this is a much harder task, but this is the one that will bring them back to center stage and insure and earn them the respect of all Moslems.
Let me give an example here that I feel so passionately about and has been neglected by the Islamic institutions: the mistreatment of housemaids. Remember that the largest Moslem population is in Indonesia. They embraced Islam because they were impressed with the morality of the Moslem merchants. The sad truth today is that Indonesian housemaids are abused in our households, if they were not Moslems, they would never become Moslems.
If Moslem scholars and preachers (Imams) would lead a campaign to fight this social injustice and we could be fair to our Moslem and non-Moslem servants alike, wouldn’t this by default mean that we will be fair with each other.
Sorry for this long comment, but it is your fault, you hit a raw nerve!
everyone is entiteled for his own beliefs and believe it or not!!i think highly of you..thank you for a rushing debate..i like that so much and sort of missed it:)
I feel I should have a deep knowledge in our religion to be able to discuss such a topic , I dont say my opinion when am not highly sure about it because I dont want to affect any one with a hesitating point of view!
sit aside qwaider,
dear 7ala..that is so wise..i really admire that!!
man qal la 2a3lam faqad 2afta...
and in your case,you prefer silence with a great intension..:)
My dear friend: My whole article is about wishing the best for religion. Not the opposite. You might not understand some stuff due to my poor wording. I couldn't make it any simpler. But what I am asking for is really simple. I want us to have people who are going to help everyone understand the fundamentals of religion away from myths, word of mouth and unreliable, illogical, and possibly foisted into the religion by people with ill intentions
never ment you..again!!
chill out or i'll take those dispeakable words personaly:/
Allah ykoon bi3oon Gozo.
Aslan he is sooooooooo lucky to have such a great wife, and am sure you have the same opinion Qwaider :-)
allah yekremek w ywa2aflek welad el7alal:):)
assalamu alaikum
Qwaider, can you give me an example of something in the understanding of Islam that you don't like? Something in the tafsir that you see is medieval and should be changed "to fit our times". What exactly do you want to modernise in Islam? What is the "scientific changes" that are proven and contradict some of our understanding of Islam and thus we need to re-interpret our deen?
wassalam
From the way you asked the question I knew that you understood the extreme edition of what I am saying. Which is NOT what I want.
I don't want to change the religion to suit every whim to the contrary. I would like to see everything reinterpreted in the light of modern ages. Without giving any concessions.
For example; there was this Hadeeth about the fly and falling in a dish and whatever. So some scholars spent their time tying to either prove that it's actually good. While others spent their time proving the prophet actually said it. While human nature is repulsed by it. This kind of stuff makes me feel sad that our scholars are wasting their time on trivialities instead of giving us real answers that deal with serious issues in our lives.
I don't want to give examples of contradiction in the interpretation sine they're not so many but they do exist.
Let me just give one example that I think needs to be looked at with modern eyes:
"والسارق والسارقة فاقطعوا أيديهما"
I think this is one such example where reinterpretation is much needed. I think it was meant metaphorically and not physically. Just like: "ويد الله فوق ايديهم".
I hope this will help you understand my ideas. Again, I'm not saying we drop everything blindly and pick something else. But we review what we have and adhere to the soul of Islam the way the prophet wanted it to be
wow.wow.wow...
no no qwaider,my brother..really..take it easy and think for a second..that is not what you was trying to tell me..this is way worse..and i really think that you are a faithful guy with lots of brains..but all of us really need to listen sometimes..not from me..no,from a scientist soecialized in what your saying..please do this favore to your self and to me..cause i would really hate to think that ..not because i may matter to you..you hardly know me but it's the other way back..
the fly is said as a miracle to poor ahl elsuffa that they struggeled for a sip of milk and they were as humans find it repulsive,yet that was scientificaly proven that one wing has the illness and the other has the cure..and that is regarded one of the amazing discoveries within the sunnah,along with many that foriegn scientist prove and imediatly become muslims..
and if you think that cutting the hand is metaphoricaly..then what would you say about our prophet who witnessed this 7ad applied on thiefs he even said..if fatima stole i would cut her hand..
no..please my friend..do some research but first surrender your mind to allah and ask him to make you see the light of knowledge..
i learnt a lot from your related posts and comments even though you think i disagree on all..i didn't..i just failed to give you a clue about what i needed to say..
please pardon me and forgive me if i'm nosey but allah knows i'm very scincere..
assalamu alaikum
first of all, the fly hadith is a hadith sahih and thus nobody has any right to say that it is not applicable. Did we reach the peak of science today? No we didn't, and who knows what tomorrow's science will teach. Do you honestly know that tomorrow scientists wont come and confirm this hadith? And then what would you do? Bring it back? lo3ba hia? Science is always changing, if anythng, science is absolutly not stable. On the other hand, the Quran and hadith al sahih is.
As for cutting the hand of the theif, the sahaba did it and I think they would know what is meant by it better than the both of us. Especially considering that neither of us are in their understanding of the Arabic language nor did we ever live with the prophet (pbuh).
Be that as it may akhi, you don't have to like it nor do you even have to understand it. If Allah gave it to you, tawakal ala Allah and say bismillah. Exactly what proof do you have that Allah did not mean by cutting the hand of the theif in the literal sense? Other than the fact that you personally think its cruel, do you have anything else? What you personally feel, with all due respect ya akhi, has absolutly no value in Islamic jurisprudence. You think it might mean so-and-so because Allah used the word 'hand' in another context somewhere else. But that doesn't break it, just because the word 'hand' was used in such context once doesn't mean that it should be used as such throughout.
Akhi, we do not have to conform to Western standards or what you referred to in your initial post as modernity. Modernity in this day and age of globalisation is defined by the most powerful culture. If the Indians were the most powerful country then modernity will be defined on the Indian culture; their way of life, their clothing, their language, their way of eating, their values and their standards. The act of modernising means giving up what you already have for a more dominant way, be it for the better or worse.
We don't want to modernise Islam, we don't want to reform Islam. Islam is great as it is. All what we want is people to stop questioning it and start following. Walah ya akhi ya Qwaider, when that day comes we will rule the world and then you will see on whose standards modernity will be molded.
Thank you for the welcome.
wassalam
What scientific proof are you talking about TheCaller, even if there were any, it's still repulsive! These words made us a laughing stock in the eyes of the world.
Now, I totally disagree with you Abdul Rahamn on a bunch of things. Mainly the idea that "Sahaba" knew about it more than us. I agree they had a chance to learn first hand. But I also know that we can evaluate our CURRENT condition better than they do. AND most importantly. OMAR ABOLISHED this rule. Did Omar know something that we didn't? Or is it that he's setting an example to all of us to take the Soul of the text and not the apparently literal meaning.
By this I'm not taking into consideration western thought. But rather embracing a higher moral code. Consider this. If you go ahead and chop off someones hand. HOW exactly did you rehabilitate them? How are they going to become better citizens exactly? You have just created a crippled person who can't work and provide for himself. And in this you really can't argue.
If the sahaba used to ride horses and Camels, this doesn't mean riding a car is bad! We HAVE TO evolve, otherwise, we will go the way of the dinosaurs ... we will find ourselves out of place and out of time... Rigidity as a way of life is wrong, and Islam is is one of the most flexible religions and the easiest. So why do we selectively pick the hardest things and stick to them?
assalamu alaikum
As for the fly hadith, if your excuse as to why we should remove it from our books is because it is "repulsive" and that "it made us a laughing stock in the eyes of the world", then that is very sad. First of all, that is allowing your emotions make your judgments for you. Secondly, that is not a scholarly reasoning that could be taken into consideration.
As for the theif, what higher moral code? On what basis do you place your higher moral code? Akhi, if Allah in the Quran told you to cut their hands and legs and hang them from their tongues, then walah I will do it. Akhi what higher moral code?? If Allah said this, then you are in absolutly no position to start wondering what use would it be. You are in absolutly no position to question the Quraan. If you have an interpetation of the verse then base it on something credible. Do not base it on a higher moral code. Akhi morals change from society to society, from culture to culture. The Europeans used to torch women claiming that their witches for several centuries. Do that today and look what will happen to you. Morals change, people's thinking changes, alot of things change. Your emotions, your feelings, your morals, these are things that you keep to yourself when you want to interpret or explain Allah's book.
Riding a horse is different. This is an issue of still doing the same action (transportation) but in a more efficient means. The punishment for theft is a different story. Allah said to cut the hand of the theif because he knows in his infinite wisdom that this is the most suitabel punishment that could stop or at least reduce the crime of theft. You are in no position to come and say "no, I think jailing them is better".
wassalam
I would like to correct a statement I made in my previous post. I said:
"...you are in absolutly no position to start wondering what use would it be..."
This is incorrect. You are allowed to wonder and think about what Allah said. But you should never question them.
wassalam
Before you talk about moral code, consider what the prophet said:"انما بعثت لاتمم مكارم الاخلاق" do you need more proof that Morals are very important to Islam? I guess not.
Next, I am questioning the Interpretation of the verse, in light of "Omar ibn el khattab" doing the same thing. HE didn't take the literal meaning. And we know Omar had a specific high position in Islam, he was even able to receive some wa7y. And the prophet approved it. Now with your own way of reasoning I would say who are you to question the actions of Omar ibn el Khattab? Weren't there Sahaba at the time? Why didn't they object? Why didn't they Qawwamooh Bi soyoofihim if he was wrong?
I'm not going to talk about the fly anymore it's a waste of time. No one, no scientefic break through, nothing would make me believe it is good or true. You on the other hand can chose to believe whatever it is that you believe about it. Just don't think you're better than anyone "religiously" because you are holding certain ideas. It's not a measurement of Eman.
Lets look at the core issues that we're having and not rattle about examples I made. But rather stick to the core matter. When are we going to have someone like Mohammad Abduh to revolutionize how we understand our religion away from myths, rigid ideas and narrow views? When are we going to have people like Omar who will rule by the soul of the text and not it's literal words?
سيدنا عمر فعل ذلك اسثناء فى وقت مجاعه و باى حال الشرع جعل قطع اليد له شروط..مثل شهادة الشهود و ثمن الشىء المسروق..فلو سرق احد قطعة خبز لانه جائع لا تقطع يده و ايضا اعتياد السرقه..
اما شكلنا امام الغرب..فدعنى اقولك مقوله شهيره..
المتغطى بيهم..عريان
و لى سؤال و طلب..
هل اعرت كلامى اى انتباه؟؟
اذا لا..ارجو اعادة القراءه و ربنا يفهمنا جميعا..آمين
Who said we're doing this to appeal to the west? Not at all, we're doing this for our own good. For our own evolution and enhancement.
And of course I pay attention to your words. Why do you think I wouldn't?