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More REAL women issues - Citizenship

  • By: Qwaider

  • On:Saturday, February 02, 2008 4:30:52 PM
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    I decided that I'm going to advocate for all the women issues that I see women in my country suffer from. I'm not going to get into non-issues, but rest assured, I will try to tackle every one of these issues as best as I can, leaving an open forum to anyone who would like to add their part.

    We talked about harassment and woman's right to feel safe in the workplace. But that wasn't specific to women, this issue however IS very specific and highlights one of the inequalities Jordanian and Arab women face in general. Their rights as citizens.

    I don't think it's fair or logical to have any distinction between male and female rights. Citizenship comes with many rights, privileges and obligations. Any form of inequality between the sexes in these areas needs to be looked at and amended.

    Take for example the issue of Jordanian women giving the citizenship to their non-Jordanian husbands or children. In my opinion, this is one of the worst indications of gender inequality in Jordan.

    This specific law is as complicated as the leap year rule, it like: A year would be a leap year if it's divisible by 4, but not if it's divisible by 100 unless it's divisible by 400, but not if its divisible by 1000 ....etc. And this weird law is like that, a woman is allowed to give the citizenship to her children, but not if they're Palestinians, or from any other Arab nationality (can someone help me verify this?)

    So if I get this straight, children born from a Jordanian father and just about any nationality in the world (including, Palestinian and Arab) are Jordanian citizens. While the children of a Jordanian woman married to a Palestinian man, or Egyptian, are not Jordanian, and can not get the Jordanian citizenship. Even worse, If she was married to a Sri Lankan for example (not that I have any disrespect to the Sri Lankan people) her children would be able to get the Jordanian citizenship and live as Jordanians

    Does anyone else see the problem with this picture?!

    I know the issue is there in other regions of the middle east and the rest of the uncivilized world, that doesn't make it right over there either.

    I fail to see any reason (other than not recognizing the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians with Jordanian mothers) which are as Jordanian as anyone else who lived on the soil of Jordan and would gladly give their soul and blood for this country but is still being denied citizenship.

    I do understand that I started with women's rights and ended up with a socio-political issue. But that is the case usually with these issues.

    Civil law should NEVER be used as a political instrument. A woman in the eyes of this law should not be considered any less of a human, this is one side of the law, that I would like to so updated! Modernized. Women are no longer the property of the tribe, can't we get it right in the 21st century?!

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    Arab complexities as usual
    You do know that divide and conquer is the best way to control, but it is the one with most dire concequences. Knowing that along side with the rooted ignorance that many people suffer from, you will be able to get a more holistic picture.

    The execuse that the government use is based upon the above.I personally don't believe in "nationalities" or "citizenship", but I believe in origins..After all we are all  humans, right?
    What percentage of Jordanian men share this opinion with you? I guess not many, unfortunately
    I think this issue is more of a political one! There were plans of given citizenships to children of Jordanian women that are married to Palestinians but then they stopped since there are 60,000 cases and taking the average of the Jordanian family house hold which is 6.5 this means that there are almost half a million citizenships to give !!
    I quote here: The government is not ready for such a number!!
    So it all comes back to the fact that it is purely politics!! The ladies of the new parliament wanted to do something about it! But we'll have to wait and see!!
    It is azazing to see that u r becoming a feminist! *that's wut they call those who advocate for woman's rights in their countries!!!
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    • kinzi
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    • On: 2/2/2008 9:21:59 PM
    This is a huge problem. Thanks for addressing it. I'm confused with the one sentence about Sri Lankans, as a Jordanian woman married to ANY foreign national cannot give to him nor pass on citizenship to children. Natasha has written about this.
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    • On: 2/2/2008 9:27:57 PM
    what i  know for sure is that the jordanian woman CANNOT pass on her citizenship to her kids if the father was NOT jordanian...period...they can be given citizenship after so many years of filing for it, provided they r not minors and lived in jordan for more than 10 yrs, i guess...that is when i asked about it like 4 yrs ago...dunno if they changed it, but this sucks, but i really donot care, my son already got 2 other citizenships...so why bother!!! but i really feel sorry for other kids that cannot be given any and denied belonging to somewhere...they will definitely develop some sort identity crisis later on in life...haram...
    peace to all...
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    • On: 2/3/2008 12:01:23 AM
    Are you sure about " a woman is allowed to give the citizenship to her children, but not if they're Palestinians, or from any other Arab nationality " I don't think it is! I think she isn't allowed no matter what the husband's citizinship is, could you please let me know whether u r sure or not:) ?  
    Good job Qwaider. Although I second other comments here, I believe it is a ban for all nationalities.
    Mohamed El Gohary
    As usual, the issue is exactly the same in Egypt by the way.

    Mohanned
    The fact that nationality brings you a certain level of "privileges" is what matters here. Many people are deprived of it due to many reasons. It's even harder to benefit from these people who will not have loyalty to a system that has shut them out.

    Hareega
    You're right my friend, but I strongly believe that we need to change these norms. We need to change MANY norms

    Lostwithin
    See, THIS IS EXACTLY why I think it's unfair. Civil law shouldn't be used as a political tool. It needs to be separate. It needs to cater for the needs of the society. And if we in fact have 500,000 cases. So what? What is the Jordanian government doing for the rest of the 6 million? Collect taxes? If these people are already living, breathing and sharing the same country. Wouldn't this be like trying to hide the sun with a screen!?

    Kinzi
    Absolutely, and we need to start finding solutions to these matters. I actually -heard- that the law has been amended to allow the Jordanian woman to give citizenship to her husband and children unless they already have an Arab citizenship and particularly not Palestinian. So a woman married to an American can very much grant him the citizenship after 10 years of marriage

    Afaf
    That was true before the new law. But apparently there is a move to change the law. Same is going in Saudi and Egypt by the way, As long as the father is not Palestinian

    Nido
    I'm not positive. But I've been hearing a lot about it recently which lead me to believe that there is a law. You might want to consult the Jordanian embassy in Washington DC for more specifics

    Tololy
    Thanks, I hope we can find out for sure soon. But regardless of the result, we need to all take action and protest this. Jordanian women are not any less than any Jordanian man and they should have the ability to grant citizenship to ANYONE within the same conditions applied to males. Not double, nor conditional.
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    • طفيلي(  ahmad)
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    • On: 2/3/2008 12:11:46 PM
    I need to ask you a question Q. do you support that kids have thier mother's sure name?.
    What difference does that make Ahmad?
    Look at what happens if you marry an American citizen. She will get YOUR last name and you will get her citizenship. So surname has nothing to do with it
    And EVEN if it did, so what? Isn't it about time we abolish tribalism?
    women are not allowed to pass their nationality to their kids. Period. Palestinian or not...
    Wonders, they recently changed that law, but I'm still not sure of it. I keep hearing about it. Someone needs to come clear on this specific matter
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    • طفيلي(  ahmad)
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    • On: 2/3/2008 2:01:21 PM
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    'What difference does that make Ahmad?'
    In islam, that is not allowed. Kids should take their father'surename. i though you know that.
    How is that related to the citizenship issue? Besides, I didn't say they take their mother's name!
    But again, what difference does that make to the citizenship? Really?
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    • Farah
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    • On: 2/5/2008 2:49:06 PM
    I applaud you for bringing attention to this subject. According to an article in the Jordan Times posted in late 2007, a Jordanian woman can retain her citizenship if she marries a non-Jordanian, but cannot pass it on to her children or husband, while Jordanian men have full privileges to do both. Im guessing that includes all nationalities not just Arab ones.  
    I've been hearing that this has recently changed but it is still doesn't meet expectation

    1) we need to demand citizenship for Spouses and children of Jordanian women, regardless of the parent's nationality
    2) These rights need to be exactly those of the Jordanian males
    3) IF the government decides that there will not be dual Arab citizenship, the couple should be allowed to decide which to keep and which to let go. With the possibility of getting their citizenship back if conditions change

    Anything less would be very disappointing
    "Take for example the issue of Jordanian women giving the citizenship to their non-Jordanian husbands or children. In my opinion, this is one of the worst indications of gender inequality in Jordan."
    My brother in law is Palestinian -wasn't born in Amman and doesn't have the temporary passport the a lot of Palestinians in Jordan have- so my sister can't pass the citizenship to her kids, which I think is so unfair. She became an expatriate cause of that!
    You too can have your Memories Documented

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