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Is ISLAM applicable for every time and place?? - Answered!

  • By: Qwaider

  • On:Saturday, November 24, 2007 10:48:09 AM
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    My good controversial friend Arab Lady, is at it again, I tried to comment on her blog but she has turned off commenting. Therefore, I decided to move the argument here. Please understand that this is not an attempt to polish Islam, or promote it. Or bash any one else's beliefs. These are my answers to some questions that she has. And I'm only assuming that she means this with best of intentions as she's looking for ... Answers!

    Is ISLAM applicable for every time & place??

    Yesterday came to my mind some questions ..those questions were always part of my brain thinking activity! I have been taught since ages that Islam is a religion that is applicable for all places, conditions & times.

    But Is It?

    Yes, As long as you believe in it! As long as you follow it right. It's applicable and valid beyond the limits of time and place. It's the ultimate truth. You just have to "get it". And many people sadly don't!

    IT IS applicable when embracers comply by its direction & teaching. But do Muslims abide by Quran & Islam. The question is definitely NO.

    The we're in agreement. And there are so many people that abide and follow it's teachings in the proper ways. And of course there are others who misrepresent it, and send the wrong message. These incriminate themselves and not Islam. They represent themselves not the great religion

    Otherwise you won’t see such messy societies nowadays. This lead us to the question which is how come we are still enforcing Islamic Rules & Regulations in our daily , social & Judicial Life?

    We don't really and fully implement Islamic rules. There are violations and these are not shortcomings of Islam as I stated before. These are the residual of the archaic traditions and bad representation of the religion. Many people confuse the religion with these traditions.

    If women work nowadays & support their families, why we are still inheriting half what a man gets?

    Yes, and it's only fair. Mainly because women are not OBLIGATED to support their families or their parents for example. While men ARE. Women don't have to pay ANY of the marriage expenses but men have to. And just about everything else. Women don't have to do any of these. And the law doesn't change for the sake of one woman doing one thing. In fact, there are MANY occasions where a woman actually inherits MORE than her male brother. Look them up!

    If the father is indifference & irresponsible, why the divorced women can’t get her kids’ custody?

    This is not true. The woman gets the children's custody UNCONDITIONALLY! The father of the children can not get them by the law until they come of age. And if you look at it, he only gets them for the same amount that she does. After that, the kids are on their own. The mother loses the custody if she gets married (because a foreign man shouldn't be overseeing the kids). She loses the custody to HER MOTHER! Not to the father. And after her mother, to her sister, and then to her Aunt and then to HIS mother, and FINALLY to him! If anything, the Islamic Shariah law here sides with the mother NOT the father!

    If the woman is educated & successful more than her brothers & male family members, why still the man has religious influence over her?

    Once the woman reaches 21, no one has any rights over her! People maintain these relations out of respect! Nothing more!

    If the woman is educated & mature, why she still needs her father’s permission to get married?

    No. It depends on the Islamic Mathhab. But a mature woman can marry off herself if she chooses. 

    In my opinion Islam has given religious power to the man aiming to protect women, but unfortunately that led to server abuse & injustice to various segments including women.

    Again, although I respect your opinion, the statement above is not true. Islam is completely against abuse and injustice. If anything it was the only thing granting women right they couldn't have dreamt about in the past. Like inheritance, and the right to have property. Those were not even there a mere 100 years ago IN THE UNITED STATES! Women are protected and their dignity is respected even dying for the sake of their protection, their honor and their dignity is equated to the Shahada. Which is the highest honor a muslim can ever hope to achieve

    In Islam they claim that it’s a religion that gives Freedom of Choice. However, they call for killing those who convert into another religion. Explain?!

    There's no conversion back from Islam. You have the right to weigh your choices before embracing it. But not after! That is the rule. Besides, religion is a matter of the heart. And even at the prophet's time there were hypocrites. These showed that they are Muslims while they were not! Do you know what the prophet did to them? Or the Khulafaa? Nothing!

    Zillions of questions that I could find reasonable applicable convincing justifications for…Where is the way to paradise? Is there a paradise in the first place! Probably there is but in our dreams.

    To question everything is a good thing. It lead our father Ibrahim. To find the true one god using only his mind and reasoning. We're not that far behind.

    Almost all scholars in the world had a level of uncertainty in their beliefs. They were in doubt. In my opinion there can't be faith without doubt! Because if you were certain, then it's a no brainer. It's always the doubt when you feel yourself completely lost yet you clutch to the way of god ONLY to save you from all this doubt

    Keep questioning, you will eventually find the right path.

    I hope I was able to satisfy your hunger to understand these issues!

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    • #1
    • Dave
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    • Said
    • On: 11/24/2007 12:08:19 PM
    But is it applicable to every place?  Try fasting during Ramadan in Alaska during parts of the summer when it is daylight for 24 hours a day.
    • #2
    • blah blah blah
    • Windows Firefox Browser
    • Said
    • On: 11/24/2007 4:21:10 PM
    omg! the same old blah blah blah
    I have a real request to all the muslims out there; stop defending Islam, it is a religion that survived hard times, and its a religion that very obviously will never die soon, that in mind, there's no need to embarrass yourselves with crappy arguments like the above, the modern intellectual muslim is a fiction, a dream made up by brainwashed kids who grew up to find what they've been taught to believe is right to be complete fake! Islam is a religion that fit, to some point, the days of Muhammad, it will never ever fit the modern days, for God's sake, just ask yourselves why the hell does most of the verses in the quran talk about specific incidents in the time of the prophet, how come that the language of the Quran and the Hadeeth is coming from mid-age illiterates (despite the crappy and hilarious allegation of scientific superiority of it!) who wants to replace modern days democracy with caliphates?! who the hell can stand living in a country that is controlled and is exclusive to one religion, should we through away our nationalities? how does islam fit today's world if it seperates between the citizens of one country according to their religion, and before another crappy argument about equality in Islam and ahl el themma, please, do revise Ibn Taimeyah's conclusions in that feild "Sheik al Islam!".

    Therefore, I really think that the best thing for Muslims to do is to stop the nonsense they produce when they try to defend Islam, and just lay down and relax depending on the systematic brainwash to every coming generation of Muslims who will never ever change their minds about the greatness of Islam.
    Dave
    That's very simple. Thanks for bringing it up.
    In areas where the sun never sets. All you have to do is fast at Mecca's timing.

    Blah Blah Blah
    Maybe it's the same blah blah blah, but it's needed. Because it's the same "blah blah blah" questions that have been going around for thousands of years. In fact, there are so many who don't know anything about their own religion!
    I'm not defending Islam, and I stated that at the beginning of this article. This is an attempt to answer questions that some people have.
    None of the arguments above are crappy, or non-modern. What's crappy is ridiculing people's beliefs for what reason?
    You might be surprised to know that the only religion that appears to be adapting and getting approval in the millions nowadays in the heart of the west, is Islam. It is fitting and it's being practiced by more and more people.
    Caliphate system is a parallel system that has it's rules and guidelines. Modern day Democracy is a farce! It's a complete Joke. And that's not really my personal opinion, more on this in my new article on democracy. Now since the modern democracies, And the old democracies have all shown issues and weaknesses. It's no better than many other formats of governments.
    The language if the Quran is Superior in it's content and syntax to everything ever written, and not in the scientific content that I personally keep warning about because the Quran is not a scientific text book.

    Nationalism is also another Joke, it was invented by the imperialistic colonisation of the world. It's there just to give you the illusion of belonging to some country. Muslims and non-Muslims have the right to live under the Islamic rule. In fact, most non-Muslims PREFERRED the Islamic rule to anything else. Here's a historical proof. The Jews of Spain LEFT with the Muslims fearing the inquisitions. Fact! The Jews AND Christians of Jerusalem were "alive" under the middle age Islamic rule now god needs to sort them out! The Jews in Second world war, were fleeing TO the Arab countries from Europe escaping oppression there. Another Fact. And finally, old Cities like Damascus, Jerusalem, Cairo, Jaffa, Haifa and even Baghdad all had a "Jewish Neighborhood" under the Islamic rule for 1400 years. Some still exist till today! Shall I go more?
    Ahl el Themma means that Muslims owe a debt to help and protect them! They are well treated and never mistreated. In fact, during the Ottoman era, they were ministers and very high ranking government officials with absolutely every right that is associated with the position. They were high ranking generals in Saladin's army! Wake up! This is not about Islam vs Others! Islam has proven over and over that it's tolerant to other religions. And can peacefully coexist with them!

    Again I'm not defending Islam (here), I'm answering the questions of someone who is looking for answers.

    Trust me, this is not Nonesense!
    • #4
    • blueee
    • Windows Netscape Browser
    • Said
    • On: 11/25/2007 6:24:42 AM
    Dave, I thought you'd be smart and research it before spelling out your cunning crack over here!
    Next, I am sure you have many!
    • #5
    • masalha1
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 11/25/2007 7:55:44 AM
    Qwaider,
    Thank you, I think you've said it all.
    Blah Blah,
    I wonder who is brain washed, a person who believes in modern days democracies that produces injustice crazy, nuts, stupid leaders like George Bush, or old days Khalefas system that produced Omar Bin Al khattab, modern days capitalism, socialism, or Islam.
    You're right we don't need to defend Islam, but reading your poor attempt to mock Islam and the Quran language only prove your shallow knowledge of Islam.   
     
    wallahee bla bla, is really about bla bla, i couldnt touch in that reply except: crap, bullshit, stupid.. bla bla! i suggest instead of asking us to learn more about our own religion, relax urself and have ur own religion and let us have ours... strange when non believers do, they so much are convinced there is no god yet they are the first get aggitated to see someone who already passed that level and excersising his believes, if u r soooo damn sure, why do u feel insecure!?!?
    Q, id like to add two things: first, in finding out about islam i must say people keep mixing between faith and belief, belief is a brain power that gets u on the table of argument searching for simpler realities, does this world tick on its own or does it have a code writer? but faith comes from the heart, it belongs strictly to God, our feelings of his existence is really something beyond words, and that is not open for arguments, even Prophet Mohammed was adviced against discussing faith as it is the power of God only: la3allaka bakhe3on nafsaka 3ala aatharehem in lam yo2menoo behatha al 7adeeth asafa:
    فَلَعَلَّكَ بَاخِعٌ نَّفْسَكَ عَلَى آثَارِهِمْ إِن لَّمْ يُؤْمِنُوا بِهَذَا الْحَدِيثِ أَسَفًا

    second point, about riddeh, people really understand this the wrong way, islam is a nationality, by which moslems are obliged to do certain things taht include paying zakat and serving in army, anyone who is born with that nationality is not allowed to dismiss it within the borders of an islamic country (outside, theres no islamic law in the first place) but faith, ya3ni if someone comes up saying that he doesnt believe in god (and that did happen in the past of islamic empire) noone could touch him as long as he did not trespass other peoples freedom nor refrained from paying zakat (which is the IRS of islam!) islam has enough power of concept it does not fear athiests from taking their openion to public for argument (i dont recall exact details but there was a story about a shiekh who argued two athiests in Beghdad about God's existence, back in the day of islamic power, which proves that no one pushed those ppl around, they wee free to believe in whatever they wished)
    • #7
    • Tamara
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 11/25/2007 10:10:37 AM

    Ok Q you did a good job just a couple of extra info, in the case of coverts the rule is not set in stone some 3olama2 see that they are killed after they are talked to and only if they announce it publicly and call others to it. so its not like all of those to choose to convert are killed, besides the rule "if applicable" in a particular case its only for non-Muslims who became Muslims then changed their mind, and so if you are born into Islam and decided to change your religion the rule does not apply for you since you did not choose to be a Muslim.

    As for inheritance Q said enough, add to that that the woman inherits from her father and husband, so she inherits twice and in some cases it mounts to more than what the man is inheriting.
    let go brush the dust of my tarbiya wataniya book and 6th grade islamic religion book and make sure that i am not seeing things here and that everything am mentioned here didn't even develop beyond that level of inquisition and inspection.
    I swear we have a bright future for educational book writers just from what i have read here.
    mariam am recommending you especially to be on the approval committee of islamic text books you would make a wonderful educator
    Islam has managed to be the top religion of a very big emporer for more than 500 years.

    Having said that one can be so naive to believe that Islam just a set of rules that most Muslim people believe in these days. If a religion doesn't evolve, it diminishes. Islam at the time of Prophet Mohammad is different than the Islam at the Abbasi phase. Life change and religion evolve.

    Unfortunatly the majority of Muslims these days lock themselves in a set of rigid rules that is not applicable any longer. Their belief is only damaging Islam instead of adding to it. Fortunatly there is some few voices who try their best to look at the spirit of religion and help it cope with current state of affairs. Those are the ones who would save Islam.

    Islam won't go anywhere, it would just evolve and break off the current state a lot of Muslims are conrnering it into.
    • #10
    • Dave
    • Windows Firefox Browser
    • Said
    • On: 11/25/2007 5:27:21 PM
    But Mecca time is exactly opposite from Alaska time.  I guess it's not too difficult to fast during the "night".  In fact, I do it all the time.
    • #11
    • طفيلي(  ahmad)
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 11/25/2007 6:22:47 PM
    Well, i dont know what religion do you follow. I know one thing that You are an infidel in my religion and i am an infidel in your religion, Then what. I am sure you are not looking for dialogues or exchange information. We are educated people and there is no need to start insulting our religion..

    If your house  was made from glass, do not hit us by stones.

    By the way, you are using the fasting in Alaska as joke about our religion , but i have a story more bizarre for your small brain:

    How do Muslim astronauts pray in space?

    I am not going to give an answer becasue you need to spend sometime to read instaed of mociknig other.
    Qwaider, so do you think the US is better off as a Caliphate rather than a democracy?
    Dave, it's really simple, Just fast the number of hours as people in Mecca. So if they start at 6 AM their time. You can do the same at your time.
    If there's no way what so ever to distinguish night from day. Then one can approximate. Islam is a religion of ease, not hardship. There are rituals, but people are not asked to kill themselves doing them.
    I hope I helped clear it up. Please do ask any questions you might have issues with. I would be very happy to answer you

    Globorama
    But everyone is entitled to have their opinions. Don't you think?

    Ahmad
    Please, don't insult other readers. Lets try to be respectful in our discussion. Dave has ever right to ask. Instead of getting upset, try to be tolerant and understanding.

    Arab Observer
    I completely agree. Islam needs to evolve, the sources are there. The ability to extract and get rules from them is known.
    That was very well said. Thank you


    Dear Kinzi
    I don't know if you've been following up on the developments in the US for the past 7 years. But I assure you. The US is not a democracy. Or more accurately, no longer a democracy.
    When a president can drag 300 million into a false war, against a non existent enemy for the wrong reasons and they LET HIM .. I guess that is the biggest evidence that it's not a democracy.
    America stopped being a democracy when people with influence, lobbyists, special interests groups and corporate cartels started instating their own precedents!
    • #14
    • blueee
    • Windows Netscape Browser
    • Said
    • On: 11/25/2007 8:54:57 PM
    Kinzi, ahlan wa sahlan.. you are late for the meal! No more turkey!
    I expected you to pop up a bit early, but Dave did a good job!

    I think that the US is better off without George Bush with his holy war agenda that you and the conservatives over here blindly support!
    • #15
    • Dave
    • Windows Firefox Browser
    • Said
    • On: 11/25/2007 11:39:01 PM
    Qwaider, I knew the answer before you gave it.  I was simply throwing out a tongue in cheek question to see which hot heads would respond.  Ahmad and blueee provided those responses, along with some insults and jabs to boot.  I thank you, however, for your graceful answer.

    I still have issues with the idea of punishing those turning from Islam.  You've stated that, "There's no conversion back from Islam. You have the right to weigh your choices before embracing it. But not after! That is the rule."  There are many people, however, that are born into Islam that never make the choice.  And some do make a choice later in life once they finally have a chance to weigh the options.  Should that be punishable?

    I feel that a man's choice in religion should be directed by God.  If he makes a choice outside of God's leading, it is his loss.  It is also God's prerogative (and only God's!) to exact measures upon such a person as He pleases.  I strongly disagree with any system that forbids free choice--even in the situation of choosing one's religion--and places the job of judge, jury and executioner in the hands of mankind.
    • #16
    • Roger
    • Windows Flock Social Browser
    • Said
    • On: 11/25/2007 11:44:44 PM
    "There's no conversion back from Islam. You have the right to weigh your choices before embracing it. But not after! That is the rule. Besides, religion is a matter of the heart. And even at the prophet's time there were hypocrites. These showed that they are Muslims while they were not! Do you know what the prophet did to them? Or the Khulafaa? Nothing!"

    I don't know what scale you used to "weigh" your choices, or maybe you inherited it and had no chance to do that in the first place, but just in case you "embraced" it based on your free choice I'll ask this:

    What about the ones who inherit it? What choices are left for these people (MAJORITY) by "the rule" you mentioned if they don't want to be hypocrites?
    • #17
    • blueee
    • Windows Netscape Browser
    • Said
    • On: 11/26/2007 12:22:42 AM
    Oh Dave, so you were quizing Q, loooooool! Yeah, I bet you were! Oh, and Kinzi was Quizing Q with her question as well??
    give me a break man, we believe you!
    • #18
    • طفيلي(  ahmad)
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 11/26/2007 12:31:21 AM
    Dave, There are 1.5 billion Muslim around the world, if you want to convert half of them,  does not matter for us. We do not like our religion based on number and how many enter Islam. The problem is here, in Islam we believe in Jesus and Moses and other prophet but in Christianity and Judaism do not consider Islam as religion from God. Because of that, when you recognize as Islam religion from god, then we can say there should be freedom for anyone who change his religion.

    There is something else, if a Muslim wants to change Islam, he can do that. He can go to church without problem. But he should not announce that in public and start saying bad things about Islam. In the same time, I dislike people who convert to Islam and start say not nice things about Christian.. if you are happy with new religion , it is good for you . Please do not disturb our system.

    We do not need to have civil war in our country because some people want to change their religion. God or Allah is exist in every place and he does want to be reason to have blood shed in our  street for him.
    oh :god: oh golly have mercy that was a strong back hand there am offended .
    perfect now what logic would switch one broken carriage for another broken one if you can just walk ?
    • #20
    • Umm Zaid
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    • On: 11/26/2007 1:26:02 AM
    My personal thought? Is belief in One Creator for every time and place?  Is belief in His Angels, His Messengers, the Afterlife for every time and place? Yes.  It is not limited, I am sorry to say, to the Arabs, or to people who lived 1400 years ago.  It is a belief that has been with humans since the beginning (Alhamdulillah) and will be with us until the end (insha'Allah).  It is universal and is the right of any human being.  If you believe that there is nothing worthy of worship but God and that He sent Messengers, including the Final Messenger, Muhammad (aleyhi salatu wa salaam), then honestly?  

    The rest of it works itself out.  You can't answer all of these "tough questions" without a foundation and a frame work and simple tawhid and love is that framework.  Muslims and non-Muslims talk until the cows come home of law and democracy and khalifa, but if you don't start with love and always, always bring it back to tawhid, then it's just another version of politicized Islam.  

    If you don't have real love for Him and trust in Him -- trust that He's not going to give you some homicidal misogynist as a Prophet, for example -- then you can begin to unfold the mysteries of Shari'ah.  God is not unfair.  We are.  If you don't love and trust God, then of course you're going to start listening to those whispers that He might be unfair to you.  

    Also, just as a technical fiqhi point -- people in extreme northern latitudes, such as Alaska or Northern Europe, do not follow the fasting hours of Makkah, but of the nearest locale with a distinguished day and night, or one fasts the whole day (I know) *unless* one genuinely believes that fasting such long hours will cause illness or extreme exhaustion.  It may seem amusing to some that we follow such a religion that has such rules that, overall, apply to a small number of Muslims, but I see it as them having the right to know how to apply the rules of Islam in the *time and place where they live.*  In many things, our religion is not one size fits all.  It is big enough to embrace a lot of people, including those who need a long time, even a lifetime, to puzzle out the "arcane" and meandering rules that govern worship and public life.
    • #21
    • Roger
    • Windows Flock Social Browser
    • Said
    • On: 11/26/2007 2:00:00 AM
    طفيلي (ahmad)

    "The problem is here, in Islam we believe in Jesus and Moses and other prophet but in Christianity and Judaism do not consider Islam as religion from God"

    That's not "the problem" that's just a simple chronological matter, Jews are still waiting for the "real" Jesus, aren't they? Why don't you make a little fuss of your own about that? (yeah and "haha", nice argument)

    "Because of that, when you recognize as Islam religion from god, then we can say there should be freedom for anyone who change his religion."

    Hello freedom officer, what's up? So you're holding people's freedom of religion (and lack) until they recognize Islam (or whatever you believe in) as a religion from god? Hmm, what if they choose not to even recognize the god you believe in himself/herself/itself or any other gods/goddesses? What are you going to do then?
    You are just a typical intolerant brainwashed blind believer.
    "The problem" is that there are tons of people like you!

    I think you get it by now that the rest of your comment is just blabbering.
    • #22
    • طفيلي(  ahmad)
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 11/26/2007 3:02:43 AM
    Roger [[That's not "the problem" that's just a simple chronological matter, Jews are still waiting for the "real" Jesus, aren't they? Why don't you make a little fuss of your own about that? (yeah and "haha", nice argumen]]

    You are suffering from lack of information about dialogues occured  between scholars of Islam and Christianity. From Islamic point of view, we can not make dialogues with people who do not recognize us as religion from God like Judaism and Christian. Fro Christian point of view, they believe that Islam and Quran are not from God and Muslims should admit that and allow doubting and questioning their religion.

    Roger
    [[You are just a typical intolerant brainwashed blind believer]]

    If you are trying to irritating me then to say look at Muslim How do they behave. I will disappoint you. If you don’t like my answer
    • #23
    • طفيلي(  ahmad)
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 11/26/2007 3:03:35 AM
    it is up to you and i do not care if you are convinced or not.
    Qwaider, I am aware of America's decline, but that wasn't the question I asked. In spite of Blue's assumption, there is no trick here, just wanting to know your opinion based on what you wrote in your post.

    Blue, I don't comment much on Qwaider's blog anymore because of people like you.

    Umm Zaid, thank you for a rational response.
    blueee
    Yeah, I'm sure anyone would do a better job than GWB. I'm not sure we need to be hard on Kinzi or Dave, they have questions and I feel it's my obligation to answer them. And I'll try my best

    Dave,
    As long as the person doesn't go bragging his disbelief, no body is going to call them on it. No body knows what people have in their hearts. But know this, Islam is against atheism, it's entrenched with christianity and judaism on the same front. And it is not acceptable to any of the three religions
    What you said is true, about god's prerogative, and I agree. However all three religions have provisions to deal with these situations.

    Roger
    They can continue to believe whatever they want to believe. As long as they don't go around bragging it or (and this is VERY IMPORTANT) They shouldn't promote their ideas. That's the limit of their freedom and is considered active sabotage in the fabric of the society. The governor has the authority to apply the proper punishment up to death. You have to understand that this is considered treason! To the nation, not just to the country.

    Blueee
    Please, take it easy

    طفيلي(  ahmad)
    I don't know if the numbers mean anything. We all need to learn to be tolerant and accepting to everyone else
    (by the way, I corrected your comment for you)

    Bambam!
    What the hell are you smoking man!? :)

    Umm Zaid
    Welcome to my blog, I'm honored with your visit.
    Also thank you very much for the fantastic words. I couldn't agree more.

    As for the North pole fatwa. I am aware of the variant you mentioned and it's also acceptable. Thank you very much for sharing with us.

    Roger#2
    Freedom of choice and religion has it's limits too. You may embrace whatever you find appropriate for you, but not at the expense of others. Islam has provisions specifically to coexist with other religions. And I will leave it at that.
    And I would appreciate it if we keep a civilized discussion here. I would really appreciate it


    Kinzi
    Sorry you feel intimidated at times. Some ideas exchanged have people passionate about them and this means there will be some serious exchange of ideas.
    My opinion is that the US has transformed from the land of the free to an imperialistic super power that interferes with every single nations internal affairs. It doesn't matter if the president is being elected in a democratic fashion, the tendencies are the same. Super nation by birthright. Greatest nation on earth. We've heard that before.
    Capitalism, the driving force behind America has transformed to corporatism. It's a new term and I will probably talk about it in a future article
    • #26
    • kinzi
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    • Said
    • On: 11/26/2007 12:55:10 PM
    Thanks, Qwaider. Protecting profits before protecting people could be a hallmark of 'corporatism'.

    I'm not intimidated by Blue or the others :). It's just that I don't usually deal with people in real life who start off with insults, so I don't on-line either (maybe on my own blog I'll cut more slack). It's not a discussion then, just a downward spiral of name-calling and accusation, and not worth my emotional energy.   
    • #27
    • masalha1
    • Windows Internet Explorer
    • Said
    • On: 11/26/2007 2:39:12 PM
    Dave, Roger, Kinzi,
    During the cold war communisim was fought fiercely all over the free world for both political and religious reasons, and communists didn't have the freedom to be communists in fact they were prosecuted and charged with (treason) which means, consciously and purposely acting to aid the enemies, the Quran stated clearly no force to be used in converting to Islam, in fact God gave you the choice to choose between good and evil, how ever the Quran did not state any kind of punishment for those who convert away to other religion during their life time, it was the prophet Mohammad who set these punishment, and it was a necessary mean at the time to protect the fabric of the society as Qwaider stated, and to protect Islam from those who consciously and purposely acting to aid the Islam enemies, during a period Moslems were few and this tactic was used by the enemies of Islam to put doubts in the mind of those with weak faith, this whole issue is controversial and there are scholars on both sides of the isle who can argue this case to death, but with 1.5 billion Moslems now days I don't think lossing 1 or 2 thousand will even have any effect on Islam or Moslem.    
    Great post .. and great replies. Thanks Qwaider.
    You too can have your Memories Documented

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