I don't think you should get married anytime soon; you'll drive your wife crazy, she'll end up running away- really fast ;)

I don't like stones that much - accessories are fine bas I have a thing for watches..

i agree with asoom :o

i love diamonds and jems, so much that i started designing my own jewelry, but thats a whole other post which i'll keep for another day!!

i agree it shudnt be the focus of their/our attention, and a gift doesnt lack in value if it isnt gold and diamonds imho.. inno fi nas they take their passion for jewelry overboard. its just an item. a beautiful one nontheless, but still, just an object.  

and relax, not all women r like that :D

Qwaider,
Man take it easy! we have this “thing” for diamonds like guys have it for cars! So just live with it.
now if you tell me not all guys love expensive sportive cars, I tell you and many girls could care less about diamonds and jewelry all together..good news is I’m not one of them :D not anymore at least…I was one of those clueless ignorant girlies, until one shinny day when I tried an amazing necklace, and it was love at first sight..the feeling is heavenly I tell you, I know it’s hard for some guys to get the picture here, but trust me, it’s way much better than any great experience I’ve been through…even better than a fulfilling bar of chocolate (hearing this from a chocoholic should mean something!)
and who on earth said diamonds are uselss?!!
It’s an investment dear..you go through tough days and hard times you sell them and use the money..just like gold dude!

I hope I made things a little bit more logical, from a girl’s point of view at least :p

and honey u need to chill..seriously :D

why not?? if she had money or her husband can buy a real diamond for her:)) god like to see his grace on his people:))

ALL women are like that! I swear, I'm never getting married.

You don't need to get married from these women, becasue you will announce bankrupt before your first universary. women are like fruit, if you can afford class A  , you can have them , otherwise you can go to class B or C .But the taste will be the same and with time class b and class c has got potentail to be truthful more than other.

Hmm.. not really!! The ring is a symbol.. I'd rather invest in other things that will last longer, like a house some where, a remote island for ME! Not a piece of rock, hmm.. well, I would like to have something that I would pass my daughter one day.. bas a big ring, naaaah..

I detest jewelery.  It's very distracting.  I wash my hands compulsively and then soap gets between my skin and the ring causing a rash.  Necklaces make me obsess about choking, no matter how long they are.  Also I have long hair and necklaces always get stuck in my hair.  I can't type or write with bracelets and watches on.  Whenever I wear earrings all I can focus on is the two things dangling on my head--very distracting.  Also, I just can't commit to liking something so expensive so much that I will wear it forever.  That being said my sister and sister-in-law have fat ass rocks in nice platinum settings that I like to stare at.  But wouldn't wear.

No, thank you! the only ring i wear is my wedding ring :) some people are so obsessed with material things that they only value/judge others by how much (or less) money they have. showing off a ring like that is a way of saying:'look how rich & successful we are!' YUK!!!
surely you know that not all women are like that :0

well, thank god not all women r like that woman!!!
and yet, thank god again that not all men r like u!!!
what happned to the nice guy i know??? hopefully that is all not cuz of global warming!!
cheer up....and be safe plzzzzz

I'll admit that my engagement ring is made of diamonds, but i'm not obsessed about it. I didn't get engaged for the ring. I admit, diamonds are beautiful, but it's significance differs from one girl to another. I hardly wear it and frankly I feel much more comfortable when I wear my "everday" engagement ring.

I think it's irrational to obsess over material things, afterall it's just a ring. What really matters is what it stands for. There are much more important things in life, especially in a relationship. What's the point of having expensive things if you lack happiness?

I guess some people are more materialistic than others.

I think "someone" here doesn't like women ;)

Ya know, you do sound a bit angry when you rant about women, Q.

Well, I slid across my house on my knees and fractured one of them two weeks ago and nobody cared about me either.  Boo hoo hoo everyone hates us lets jump off the Golden Gate.

Oh yeah, I totally can feel how much they get off on me staring at their rocks.  My sister always asks me if I want to try it on.  So ridiculous.  Do these people even know how horrible the diamond mining business is anyways?

so what...ppl look for status, especially in this country...it is even worse than amman, i swear...
u r a nice guy, but try to hang around more cheerful ppl, happily in love and life...that is all...and u will be so fine as i know u...
i could swear u had a sense of humor that i miss now..why??
peace...

salametha rokbetak...inshalla rokbet jeran wlad 7'alet 3am abu selfit setti...
do i make sense or am i am blabing now...?? i d better quit now...
salamtak ya Q...

should i send u some diclogesic...or ibprufen 600???
u r funny dear, but i am not in a good mood today...i guess it s not my day today...coutdown to go to amman and i have so like 1000000000 things to finish up b4 going....so stressful....

dec 17  for five good weeks....
when r u going??

The jewelery worn for aesthetic value doesn't have to be expensive. Who cares if its real if you have to stare at it with a microscope to find out ?

I agree with Qwaider when it comes to expensive jewelery. It is just not worth it. Likewise for any watch that costs over $200.

Its not just materialistic to buy such things but indicates the person is superficial. If anyone needs such things to make them feel good about themselves, they're better off investing the money in therapy.

Hani, best.comment.ever.

Qwaider,

well ANY car can take you from point A to point B, it doesn't have to be so expensive to do so :D same for women's accessories; they add a touch to her style and clothes,whether they're real or fake!  

if we want to talk about investment here, then believe me those "stones" are a way much better one than a car! a car loses it's price the moment you take it out from the showroom and it keeps on doing so with every year and mileage added..

personally speaking, i'm not fond of jewelry, or to be more specific i don't like to wear or even own many pieces..and i hate ta3jee2...now if i can't afford buying such an expensive piece it's fine and i can live with it, it won't affect my self respect, self image and i won't make me feel less than anyone else, but if i can do so then why not pamper and spoil myself? and u know even diamonds come in different qualities and prices according to many factors

exactly the same when u want to buy car, now if your budget can get u a Honda then fine, u'll still have a car, enjoy the ride and the car will still serve the purpose, but if u can afford a Prosche without affecting ur savings and budget then why not go for it...did u see the point?

and let's be realistic plz, now i know many ladies don't care much about it, but if and when they get the chance to try it they do love it..3adi ya3ni it's a human or woman nature after all..

bottom line is, it's shouldn't be an aim by itself, it's like everything else in this life, it's like owning a big apartment, luxurious car and so on for those who can afford it...but this shouldn't be the factor on which we respect ppl or treat them any different.. kel 7ada bhal denyeh bi3eesh 7asab emkanato...those who can enjoy it and pay for it 7alal 3ala 2alboun...enta leih za3lan? :D

and i'm so chillin...and would like to join :)

sorry for the long reply..just wanted to clarify some points

I guess it's not a big deal if people want to wear gold jewelery but why would anyone want to wear diamonds???

You guys should read this:
http://www.un.org/peace/africa/Diamond.html

And this:
http://www.amnestyusa.org/Our_Issues/Conflict_Diamonds/page.do?id=1011014&n1=3&n2=74

I don't know about the rest of you but I wouldn't be able to live with myself wondering if someone died so that I could wear a stupid diamond on my finger.  

Dude where's my comment?  I hate when they got sucked into cyberspace.

People that like diamonds should read these:

From Amnesty International: http://www.amnestyusa.org/Our_Issues/Conflict_Diamonds/page.do?id=1011014&n1=3&n2=74

From the UN:
http://www.un.org/peace/africa/Diamond.html

If you're dumb and don't like reading there's even a movie with stupid Leonardo Dicaprio in it for you:
http://blooddiamondmovie.warnerbros.com/main.html

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you have commmmentttttt moderation now.  What happened?

How come that last comment didn't get moderated but the other two did???????

Don't blame women, blame genetics ; p we cannot help loving those old stones

but seriously, not all women are like that...and not all men are like that either : )

hey...when guys stop lusting after sports cars, we'll stop lusting after diamonds!
altho i guess i shud shut up, since i want both a kick-ass sports-car and a huge rock :D

Tinkerbella, yeah expensive sports cars are a waste too, but nowhere near as much as expensive jewelery, I mean its not just a silly rock that can be easily replaced by a piece of glass with most people unable to tell the difference. Plus the car tends to be in a whole different price range most people can't afford or think about anyway, wheras the expensive jewelery is something many Arab parents will demand a husband buy for their daughter, even if it costs a large chunk of their life savings, and that's just the beginning.

"just a silly rock that can be easily replaced by a piece of glass with most people unable to tell the difference."
Spoken like a true man ;)
Altho, I do agree with you about Arab families demanding a prospective husband buy extravagant jewelry for their daughters, that is completely unreasonable. If they want their daughter to have that kind of stuff, why not buy it for her themselves????????
And jad its so haram to expect a guy who is just starting out in life to pour all of his life savings into jewelry just for the bride's fam to show off. Yes, I know, its the stupid Arab custom of making sure their daughter will be taken care of blah blah blah (as if putting their future son-in-law deep in debt will do that!!) but then again, but whats to stop the guy from giving into all the demands and then immediately selling back the jewelry after marriage to get his money back ??(I know one guy who actually did that!! Yes, he is a cheap ass, but her fam were kind of unreasonable in ALL their demands so its not just him).
BUT if he does have the money, then I really don't see what the problem is... isnt that what money is there for? Sure, we use it to meet our basic life demands and hopefully to help those less fortunate in doing so as well, but there is nothing wrong in indulging every once in a while when you can afford it ;)

Well yes that's what the money is there for, but if there was more honesty, rather than asking for expensive jewelery, why not be direct and ask for $20,000 cash !

looooool...cuz then she'd go out and buy herself the jewelry, and it would be sth she bought, not a gift of love from hubby ;)

true, 99.9% of guys cant afford a 20K rock, but they can afford something nice in the 5-6K range...even if not at first, at some point in their lives. every girl needs a fancy diamond ring!
and no, its not a waste of money, maybe to guys it is , but to gals, its a precious gift and a beautiful pc of jewelry and besides, as my dad always says, jewelry is always a great investment and an insurance policy.. they only increase in value and if times are hard, you can always sell for cash to tide you over
and since we're comparing to sports cars, they are a lousy investment since they will only decrease in value with each year, and of course normal wear and tear.

well you can't put a price on seeing the person you love smile :)
maybe inshallah you will one day find that out ;)
sure, the guy is not getting anything financial out of it except that he made his loved one happy, appreciative of the thought/effort/money that went into buying that, etc etc.. isn't that enough????
and yes, like i told Hani, ele ma ma3o, mo lazmo (about the 20k jewelry) bs ele ma3o, laish la2? wele ma ma3o, eyjeeb 3ala 2ado
why would you spend several thousand on a cam lens? to make urself happy by taking pics, etc
same for the ring..u spend it to make ur loved one happy, dsnt matter if you see no use for it, SHE does!!! end of story

"If the woman I love smiles ONLY for the sight of rocks like that... Then I have chosen really poorly"... could not agree more

but then again, if she never gets ANY rocks when he can afford to give her but thinks its not worth it, then she has chosen poorly!!

and last part doesnt apply, some ppl dont fit into any stereotypes!!!

Is a $20,000 cold piece of transparent rock an expression of love ? I think a red rose is much more appropriate.

A woman that attended the same church as my family and I did, wore a huge diamond rock,too.
I noticed it ,in Bible study one Sunday morning, and commnented on it,as I was much impressed. And her husband,then,did not hesitate,to tell me, in front of the whole class,what he thought of"his woman",and he let me know,he thought, she was worth the huge amount of money he spent on the ring.He did not let me know it was expencive,just, looking at it,I knew.So, he was not bragging or showing off,I know he was a good man,and not greedy.He genuinely loved his wife and thought she had value.

Hearing him express what he thought of his wife,as I did,would have touched the heartstrig ,of,even,the most hardened criminal ,I think.
I believe they had ben married for quite a number of years.

I can tell you,after hearing him talk about her,I was more impressed with what he expresed,than, the former object of my attntion.

LOL Q at "he might be actually preferring to show his appreciation and love in other ways", i honeslty can't wait till you get married and have to eat crow :D
you see mr oh-so-wise Q, marriage isn't about doing something YOU think is good for your wife, its doing what SHE thinks is good, even if you disagree with that (and before u call me sexist, I belive the converse must also be true, marriage is a 2-sided street and both should be willing to put in the effort to make each other happy in ways that the RECIEVER wants even if the giver disagrees!)

and Hani...red roses are SO cliche! I personally do not like flowers of any kind, and actually hate red roses specifically.
But since you brought it up... a "cold piece of transparent rock" is not an expression of love, but killing a rose (ie plucking it from its life source and giving it to your lover) IS???

Bottom line is, if you love the person, you give them what THEY want, if you can afford it. If you can't, then if the person truly loves you, they would not ask or expect it of you.

and PS Q, I think the "then" Crystal was referring to is that "her husband then told me", not her then-husband (correct me if I'm wrong Crystal!) ... its not always worst case scenario man, dont be so cynical ;)

oh PS Q, when Blogger informs you of follow-up comments, the email mentions both the post the comment was on, and the actual content of the comment. could you at least put in the title of the post that the follow up emails are sent for?

Yes,you are right Tinkerbella,her husband then told me.She only had one husband as far as I know.Why in world would she divorce a husband that treated her like a queen?! That would not have made sense at all.

Of course,a lot of people think it is greener on the other side of the fence.Men are leaving their wives in droves.They have rlationships with women on the Inernet.An they watch a lot of pornography on the Internet too, and get completly hooked on it.

I should know, having a rowing eye,myself,like a man,completely obsessed with good looking men,it's like being a drug addict.I do understand men so well and what they go through.They want to love their wives and stay faithful to them,and not split up their precious families.Even Donald Trump hurt,when he left the wife of his youth.Deep down on the inside,he hurt,I believe.

Tinkerbella said {{{{{{a "cold piece of transparent rock" is not an expression of love, but killing a rose (ie plucking it from its life source and giving it to your lover) IS???}}}}}}}

I'm sorry but a rose is not alive in the sense that it cannot be "murdered" anymore than you murder lettuce when you eat a salad.

About giving your wife/lover the gift she wants, I agree, what I am disagreeing on is the women who want the diamonds, and the point was if they want diamonds as an expression of love, they are materialistic by definition since diamonds are primarily expensive rather than beautiful in my opinion. This is why I mentioned roses which are beautiful but inexpenssive, which makes them a more valid expression of love.

Regardign comment notification including the title, yislam tumik ya tinkerbella. I have been distressed by this notification ambiguity from emories documented since I started posting here but have been too lazy to tell Qwaider about it. Thanks.

First, thanks for the comment thing, it made it MUCh easier to track comment notifications :)
And second... LOOOOOOOOOOOL @ "meeting hard headed women like YOU makes me really consider celibacy for the rest of my life".... you should know I am one of a kind, and my parents (and hubby!) are very grateful for that :D
and as for your comment abotu men Q, well its true for both sides...if the male or female is not getting what they need out of the relationship (be it physical or emotional), then they will look for it somewhere else. and thats BS "men are not like women"....um both are human and both have needs, if those needs are not fulfilled, they WILL look somewhere else.
thats not to say I condone cheating because I do NOT...that is THE unforgivable mistake in a marriage for me... if you aren't getting what you need, ask for it. if you're still not getting it, GET OUT of the relationship THEN look for it somewhere else, but dont stay and keep looking....thats disgusting and hurful and just simply low.
and this was extremely sexist "Some men are never satisfied by nature, what's woman's excuse? Needing someone to listen to her!?"
some women are not satisfied physically either in their relationship, wella in ur world its only men who have needs?
and yes, the emotinal part of the relationship is very important for some girls, so it is the man's responsibility to give her that.

I do however agree with you on the mutual responsibility, that is 100% correct!

and Hani...well actually a rose IS alive, when you pluck/cut it, you are cutting it off from its source of life and so it slowly begins to die.. fact of life :)

So we agree about giving the spouse a gift they like... yes, most ladies like diamonds and you may disagree about why, but hey, if they want em and you can provide them, why not? isnt it worth it to make your sig other happy?
yes, diamonds dont mean your spouse loves you, thats BS. in fact, in this world, it usually means "i did sth shitty and I feel guilty so I am quieting my conscience by buying you this ridiculously expensive pc of jewelry"
The gift is in teh thought...if she loves diamonds and he buys them for her, thats sweet. just as when she buys him sth he loves, even tho she thinks its a waste of money. that was my whole point :)

and yea, ive been meaning to tell Q about the comments thing for a while, I didnt think hed get it done so fast tho.
Thanks again Q :)

ok, So by your definition we are all murdering plants every day :)

I wouldn't say most women like diamonds, rather I would say:
Most people like money, and diamonds = money.

lol, well yes hani, we are murdering plants every day... which is why I find it hard to understand vegetarianism. even tho i rarely eat meat, I do think that they are God's bounty for nurtition, in a HUMANE way tho!

its the same with plants, they are alive and God's creation and you should not harm plants unless you have a reason to, such as food. flowers for decoration I don't get (nor like) but hey, to each his own.

yes, true "Most people like money, and diamonds = money."
bt diamonds are also pretty :)